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In reply to the discussion: Israeli strike kills nine of Gaza doctor's children, hospital says [View all]"" Did you see that now thousands of reservists are refusing to serve or are speaking out about the war - not wanting to commit war crimes? I am so glad to see that. May the tide turn in Israel against this horrible war and somehow may Netanyahu's ouster come to pass. ""
of course I know about it , there are protests all across the country against the war for some time now.... not just those
for the hostages , recently they are combining .
Doubt you will read much about it in the english media but here are a few links ...
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/events/1745502975
https://www.standing-together.org/en
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2025-05-18/refusal-strikes-and-protests-can-help-stop-war
Within Israel, tens of thousands of military reservists have signed open letters, petitions, and other statements refusing to rejoin their units if it means fighting in Gaza. Although official figures are not published, the Israeli press has estimated that 50% of reservists in some units are refusing to report for duty.
The wave of refusal, which left-wing magazine 972 has called “the Israeli army’s biggest refusal crisis in decades”, reflects an ongoing shift in mainstream discourse. Even former military and security establishment officials have been speaking out and calling on soldiers to refuse orders. Speaking from the platform of an anti-war demonstration in Tel Aviv on 24 April, a former IDF colonel said: “No-one is off the hook. If you are sent to do wrong, you’re still responsible, even if it’s an order. A pilot sent to bomb a 10-story building because a logistics officer from Hamas lives with his family on the seventh floor should say, ‘No, I won’t do it. I won’t take part in war crimes. The responsibility is on me, because I’m not just following orders.’
“An intelligence officer asked to approve a target that will hurt dozens of civilians because an AI programme says the suspect once stood near someone maybe tied to Hamas, she should say no. A soldier ordered to shoot at medical workers and then bury them should say, ‘No, I won’t shoot. This is on me, because I am not a tool for wrongdoing.’ A soldier in the West Bank entering a village where settlers are attacking Palestinians whose commanders tell her to arrest the Palestinians, not the settlers, should say no.”
The wave of refusal, which left-wing magazine 972 has called “the Israeli army’s biggest refusal crisis in decades”, reflects an ongoing shift in mainstream discourse. Even former military and security establishment officials have been speaking out and calling on soldiers to refuse orders. Speaking from the platform of an anti-war demonstration in Tel Aviv on 24 April, a former IDF colonel said: “No-one is off the hook. If you are sent to do wrong, you’re still responsible, even if it’s an order. A pilot sent to bomb a 10-story building because a logistics officer from Hamas lives with his family on the seventh floor should say, ‘No, I won’t do it. I won’t take part in war crimes. The responsibility is on me, because I’m not just following orders.’
“An intelligence officer asked to approve a target that will hurt dozens of civilians because an AI programme says the suspect once stood near someone maybe tied to Hamas, she should say no. A soldier ordered to shoot at medical workers and then bury them should say, ‘No, I won’t shoot. This is on me, because I am not a tool for wrongdoing.’ A soldier in the West Bank entering a village where settlers are attacking Palestinians whose commanders tell her to arrest the Palestinians, not the settlers, should say no.”
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"Where's Daddy" was developed by the Israeli military and has been in use in Gaza since the beginning of the war.
AloeVera
May 24
#2
Isn't it the same hospital on whose grounds three top Hamas commanders, including Mohammad Sinwar, the leader of Hamas
Beastly Boy
May 25
#3
Other than your presumptive assertions, there is nothing you can produce to challenge me.
Beastly Boy
May 25
#8
The claim appears to be that it was a targeted attack on Hamdi Al-Najjar via "Where's Daddy?".
lapucelle
May 26
#12
They ran out of claims that appear halfass legitimate. An outright illegitimate one will do just fine
Beastly Boy
May 26
#13
Healthcare workers like this guy? "Journalist, doctor held Israelis hostage in Gaza"
lapucelle
May 26
#36
"Taking a specific incident and generalizing it to condemn an entire population"...
lapucelle
Jun 4
#79
My background is in education. Students learn best when they figure things out for themselves.
lapucelle
Jun 4
#81
Geneva does not authorize going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction on hospitals.
AloeVera
May 26
#19
Geneva does not authorize the use of hospitals for harboring top belligerent commanders.
Beastly Boy
May 26
#24
Yes, for some reason "going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction" is not in the Geneva conventions at all.
Beastly Boy
May 26
#26
I believe nothing. The Geneva conventions are not a religious text to believe or disbelieve.
Beastly Boy
May 26
#28
Oh and... the house where the kids burned to death was 3 miles from the hospital grounds.
AloeVera
May 25
#7
So it wasn't an *attack* terrorists hiding in a hospital? The claim is that it was a targeted attack
lapucelle
May 26
#11
The Hamas bigwigs were hiding underground in the tunnel under the European Hospital.
lapucelle
May 26
#9
That was terrorist stronghold in a different hospital. You pointed that out, remember?
lapucelle
May 26
#17
Upthread when you got into a quibble about the hospital tunnels where Mohammed Sinwar and the murder videographer
lapucelle
May 26
#21
Yes. Hamas needs to release the remaining hostages and hostage bodies, surrender, and beg
lapucelle
May 26
#10
Never mind terrorist organizations use civilians as human shields. That doesn't enter the equation at all because
AZLD4Candidate
May 26
#18
When Jewish lives are treated with such reverance, maybe I'll change my mind
AZLD4Candidate
May 26
#42
Appalling. There were nine real, alive children burned and mutilated to death. That is indisputable.
AloeVera
May 26
#33
According to the article posted by the OP, it was a targeted strike on the father, a Hamas militant terrorist.
lapucelle
May 28
#49
The 972mag article doesn't say anything about the father recently killed...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 3
#68
Actually, it's an inference based on evidence that the OP so helpfully provided.
lapucelle
Jun 3
#69
Just trying to be pro-active.... Because of course the IDF would claim that "terrorists" were there!
AloeVera
Jun 3
#73
Because the story in the OP is raising so many red flags, it is likely a lie.
Beastly Boy
May 27
#48
That one gets trotted out quite regularly, accompanied by dit-dits around Palestinians...
Violet_Crumble
Jun 3
#66