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56. Sigh
Sat May 31, 2025, 07:37 AM
May 31

Some responses on this thread are just shameful
How some of you can call yourselves Democrats is beyond me , you sound more like
Likudnicks to me .......thus :

Frantically Dodging Piers Morgan's Questions, Israel's U.K. Envoy Exposed How Indefensible the Gaza War Has Become

Seemingly forgetting that Morgan once strongly supported Israel, U.K. ambassador Tzipi Hotovely deflected his simple questions with blatant whataboutism, failing to coherently address concerns about Israel's far-right genocidal intent in Gaza

Just when it seemed we had hit rock bottom and couldn't sink any lower, there was a knock from below – and Israel's ambassador to the U.K., Tzipi Hotovely, appeared overseas.

The envoy, a former right-wing Likud minister, inexplicably decided that this was a good time to be interviewed, with the world recoiling from the Israeli government's far-right, bloodthirsty policies and the IDF's actions in Gaza, by the sharp and relentless Piers Morgan.

What followed was nothing short of a live public diplomacy disaster. For nearly an hour, Morgan clung to a straightforward question that Hotovely kept dodging: "How is it that you know exactly how many Hamas terrorists were killed but have absolutely no idea how many children have been killed in the process?"

"I simply ask you why," Morgan pressed repeatedly for an answer.

It was clear he understood she would not give one. At one point, Hotovely claimed Israel maintains a low civilian-to-combatant kill ratio, but Morgan challenged her: if she doesn't know how many children have been killed, how could she possibly make that calculation? His point was clear: the refusal to answer reveals the political and military leadership's disregard for Palestinian civilians, whom they don't even count.

"Ask the people who can give you the answer, I don't have it," she finally concluded.

"You're the Israeli ambassador to my country – who else should I ask?!" he shot back.

Even those who skipped the full interview on Piers Morgan Uncensored and saw only short clips, like those aired on Israel's Channel 12 or on social media, could see just how severe another blow to Israel's global image was.

Instead of recognizing that much of the world now views Israel as sending the strongest army in the Middle East to carry out what could be considered a genocide, and preparing accordingly for an interview with Britain's top broadcaster, Hotovely sounded as if she had taken advice from backbencher far-right Israeli MKs.

At the start of the conversation, Morgan, armed with detailed knowledge, threw facts in her face. Every Israeli journalist should study their command of the profession as they grilled her on why, after more than a year and a half, Israel hasn't won the war or achieved its objectives, concluding that Israel's strategy has failed. "How many more children will you kill?" he asked, horrified.

"Piers, Israel doesn't kill children – Hamas uses them as human shields," she replied.

"You're killing children every day!" he snapped, as if she'd forgotten this wasn't an interview with soft Israeli anchors like Amalya Duek or Ofer Haddad on Channel 12 – whose show, just the night before, focused on former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's "defamation campaign abroad," after he alleged Israel is carrying out war crimes in Gaza.

"Answer my question," Morgan declared angrily, after she tried to deflect once again. "The truth is, yes – you're killing a lot of children. It's horrifying. These are war crimes – what else would you call them?" In her eyes, it was all Hamas propaganda – not, say, the painful truth visible to anyone not willfully blind.

"Piers, you don't care about Israeli children," she tried, playing the panic card and evoking fears of another October 7, while Europe still mourns the recent killing of nine children under the age of 18 from one grieving family in Gaza, the children of two doctors.

Throughout the interview, Morgan referenced statements from former Israeli prime ministers and generals – including Olmert, Ehud Barak, and Yair Golan – pointing out that they are not Islamist radicals but Israeli patriots. Not so for Hotovely, who served the government's narrative of destruction and insisted that their criticism was unpatriotic. In her view, everyone must justify Israel's actions as part of a "war for existence."

The ambassador – inexplicably not recalled under the previous unity government led by centrist Yair Lapid – seemed to forget that Morgan was once one of Israel's strongest vocal supporters. From the start of the war, he affirmed Israel's right to self-defense. Even now, he continues to distinguish between the country and its current government's policy. He explained that he's long asked what a proportionate Israeli response would look like – and concluded in recent weeks that what's happening, especially with the ongoing blockade of aid to Gaza, is grossly disproportionate.

Hotovely, facing a host who isn't taken in by spin or manipulation, claimed that far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has no influence on government policy. But Morgan saw straight through her. He's made it perfectly clear what "the real plan is – which is to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza, that's a form of genocide" – what else would you call it?

Instead of salvaging Israel's image even slightly, Hotovely continued down her disastrous path, even asserting that under international law, "it's allowed to attack hospitals." It was a tragic scene: Hotovely floundering under Morgan's determined questioning, in stark contrast to the deferential treatment she receives from Israeli media.

The climax came when Morgan burst out in disgust: "Are you playing whataboutary?" – after she bizarrely brought up historical examples. "Piers, how many Japanese children were killed under American attacks? How many German children were killed under U.K. attacks in World War II?"

If right-wing political pundit Amit Segal, the godfather of Israeli whataboutery, had been sitting across from Piers Morgan, it's likely he would've dismantled the pundit's arguments in seconds. Morgan would have given viewers a rare, masterclass-level media showdown – worth every shekel and pound.

But where is Piers Morgan, and where is someone like Israeli reporter Moran Azulay, who this week "interviewed" Likud Minister Shlomo Karhi on the Knesset Channel? Instead of challenging him or confronting his dangerous rhetoric, she handed him a wide-open platform to spew incitement. Rather than correcting his misleading claims about Golan, leader of the center-left Democrats party, or scrutinizing his destructive actions against the Israeli media, Azulay "challenged" the far-right minister by asking who he'd like to have coffee with – and who in the Knesset he no longer speaks to. Pulitzer-worthy stuff, no doubt.

Source : Haaretz

Link : https://archive.md/S1zpv


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An AI-detected target walks into a residence, and a smart bomb hits it. John1956PA May 24 #1
"Where's Daddy" was developed by the Israeli military and has been in use in Gaza since the beginning of the war. AloeVera May 24 #2
Isn't it the same hospital on whose grounds three top Hamas commanders, including Mohammad Sinwar, the leader of Hamas Beastly Boy May 25 #3
You're wrong as always. AloeVera May 25 #6
Other than your presumptive assertions, there is nothing you can produce to challenge me. Beastly Boy May 25 #8
The claim appears to be that it was a targeted attack on Hamdi Al-Najjar via "Where's Daddy?". lapucelle May 26 #12
They ran out of claims that appear halfass legitimate. An outright illegitimate one will do just fine Beastly Boy May 26 #13
See post 14. AloeVera May 26 #15
What's interesting is that lapucelle May 26 #35
Israel started bombing on evening of Oct 7th. AloeVera May 26 #37
Like I said, I don't get my news from tiktok. N/T lapucelle May 26 #43
He is a doctor too. AloeVera May 26 #14
Healthcare workers like this guy? "Journalist, doctor held Israelis hostage in Gaza" lapucelle May 26 #36
So all healthcare workers and their children are guilty? AloeVera May 26 #38
A doctor holding hostages in a residential building is disgusting. lapucelle May 26 #41
This is a grotesque logical fallacy Picaro Jun 4 #77
Exactly. Two things can be true at the same time. NH Ethylene Jun 4 #78
"Taking a specific incident and generalizing it to condemn an entire population"... lapucelle Jun 4 #79
Please elucidate. Picaro Jun 4 #80
My background is in education. Students learn best when they figure things out for themselves. lapucelle Jun 4 #81
Snide aren't you--even when you're wrong Picaro Jun 4 #82
Your profile says that you're from Plano, Texas. lapucelle Jun 4 #83
You just crossed into trollland Picaro Jun 4 #84
You said you're from Missouri. You're the one who brought it up. lapucelle Jun 4 #85
Geneva does not authorize going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction on hospitals. AloeVera May 26 #19
Geneva does not authorize the use of hospitals for harboring top belligerent commanders. Beastly Boy May 26 #24
None of it excuses going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction... AloeVera May 26 #25
Yes, for some reason "going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction" is not in the Geneva conventions at all. Beastly Boy May 26 #26
If you truly believe Israel's destruction of health care and hospitals AloeVera May 26 #27
I believe nothing. The Geneva conventions are not a religious text to believe or disbelieve. Beastly Boy May 26 #28
Oh and... the house where the kids burned to death was 3 miles from the hospital grounds. AloeVera May 25 #7
So it wasn't an *attack* terrorists hiding in a hospital? The claim is that it was a targeted attack lapucelle May 26 #11
The Hamas bigwigs were hiding underground in the tunnel under the European Hospital. lapucelle May 26 #9
What does that have to do with the strike 3 miles away on a civilian house? AloeVera May 26 #16
That was terrorist stronghold in a different hospital. You pointed that out, remember? lapucelle May 26 #17
Huh? Lol AloeVera May 26 #20
Upthread when you got into a quibble about the hospital tunnels where Mohammed Sinwar and the murder videographer lapucelle May 26 #21
Post #3 ? That was not me... AloeVera May 26 #23
Read yor response. N/T lapucelle May 26 #29
Photo of her nine kids prepared for burial.... riversedge May 25 #4
Oh no... AloeVera May 25 #5
Yes. Hamas needs to release the remaining hostages and hostage bodies, surrender, and beg lapucelle May 26 #10
Never mind terrorist organizations use civilians as human shields. That doesn't enter the equation at all because AZLD4Candidate May 26 #18
Looks like the only side proven to use human shields is Israel. AloeVera May 26 #22
When Jewish lives are treated with such reverance, maybe I'll change my mind AZLD4Candidate May 26 #42
In all probability this is yet another lie. Richard D May 26 #30
This is the second time these children have been killed. Richard D May 26 #31
Appalling. There were nine real, alive children burned and mutilated to death. That is indisputable. AloeVera May 26 #33
Says . . . Richard D May 26 #34
You keep repeating 44,000 when that falsehood was called out already. AloeVera May 26 #39
UN lying about 44,000 children dying in 48 hours? Never happened! Beastly Boy May 26 #44
Oh and you are back on ignore. AloeVera May 26 #40
I'll do my best Richard D May 26 #45
Pictures lie and reveal Richard D May 27 #46
According to the article posted by the OP, it was a targeted strike on the father, a Hamas militant terrorist. lapucelle May 28 #49
Damn . . . Richard D May 28 #50
Either way the story stinks to high heaven. lapucelle May 28 #53
Which article was that in? Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #62
+972 Magazine. lapucelle Jun 3 #64
The 972mag article doesn't say that at all... Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #65
No, that's who the +972 magazine piece says are targeted. lapucelle Jun 3 #67
The 972mag article doesn't say anything about the father recently killed... Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #68
Actually, it's an inference based on evidence that the OP so helpfully provided. lapucelle Jun 3 #69
So, it's nothing but yr opinion. Okay. Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #70
Just trying to be pro-active.... Because of course the IDF would claim that "terrorists" were there! AloeVera Jun 3 #73
Gaza is full of terrorists. lapucelle Jun 3 #74
Then Israel is the King of Terror. AloeVera Jun 3 #75
Thanks.... AloeVera Jun 3 #72
It is not a lie that the children were killed. Even your source says that. AloeVera May 26 #32
That would be a treat NoRethugFriends May 27 #47
Because the story in the OP is raising so many red flags, it is likely a lie. Beastly Boy May 27 #48
$20 billion in 2024 in aid alone from U.S. to Israel. Duncanpup May 28 #51
We didn't give $20 billion dollars in aid to Israel in 2024. N/T lapucelle May 29 #55
Heartbreaking 💔 Goddessartist May 28 #52
Heartbreaking responses can be made to disappear . AloeVera May 28 #54
Sigh Israeli May 31 #56
Thanks... AloeVera May 31 #57
Regarding : Israeli Jun 1 #58
Very encouraging!! AloeVera Jun 1 #59
So much could be avoided if Israeli Jun 2 #60
Yep. Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #61
Wow, that's exactly what it is. AloeVera Jun 3 #63
That one gets trotted out quite regularly, accompanied by dit-dits around Palestinians... Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #66
"Why are those children there"? WTAF! AloeVera Jun 3 #71
More war crimes Picaro Jun 3 #76
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