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Thu Sep 1, 2016, 02:08 AM Sep 2016

What the Hebron Shooter's Trial Is Really All About [View all]

A testimony at the trial of Elor Azaria, the soldier who killed a subdued Palestinian assailant in Hebron, reveals that the real battle taking place isn't about the army's values.

Zvi Bar'el Aug 30, 2016

Eliyahu Liebman’s title, security officer of Hebron’s Jewish community, is misleading. Liebman — who testified in the defense of Elor Azaria in a trial that has come to symbolize the struggle between the right and the left, the army and the settlers, the chief of staff and the ousted defense minister on one hand and the prime minister and certain cabinet members on the other hand — represents a nation. The nation of the settlers, which has placed itself as a fortified wall against principles the army purports to uphold.

This nation has a diaspora, the State of Israel. Liebman is part of a dynasty that, to many, represents the core of the settlement movement. His father, Rabbi Menachem Liebman, was among the founders of Kiryat Arba, and he stood with Rabbi Moshe Levinger in the center of Hebron and urged soldiers to refuse the “illegal orders” to remove settlers from the city center and from Avraham Avinu Synagogue. His brother Yehuda was one of the founders of Yitzhar. His brother Shlomo was killed in a terror attack in that settlement. His brother David, from the settlement of Tapuah, was part of the “new Jewish underground” that was active in 2003 and was suspected of murdering nine Palestinians.

In his testimony, Liebman castigated the defense minister and assailed the military prosecutor. Yet he was awarded a commendation by the chief of staff for his initiative and actions during a terror attack on Worshiper’s Way in Hebron. Twelve Israelis died in the attack, including Col. Dror Weinberg.

The Liebmans represent the destructive symbiosis between the Israel Defense Forces and the settlers — a symbiosis that has resulted in repeated concessions to settlement leaders, long before the advent of the “hilltop youth.”

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It always goes back to the occupation - it's easier for the IDF to maintain moral standards if the Little Tich Sep 2016 #1
Should Jews be allowed to live in Hebron? oberliner Sep 2016 #2
The question is hypothetical - the two-state solution is dead. Little Tich Sep 2016 #3
The two-state solution is the only solution oberliner Sep 2016 #4
I thought you were a proponent of the Geneva initiative? Little Tich Sep 2016 #5
Absolutely oberliner Sep 2016 #6
Sometimes the problem is the solution. Little Tich Sep 2016 #7
Not in this case oberliner Sep 2016 #8
The problem is a racist policy of no Jews in the W.Bank or Gaza. shira Sep 2016 #10
The problem is that you can't have settlements and a two-state solution at the same time. Little Tich Sep 2016 #12
Sure you can, if Jews are considered human & worthy of being Palestinian citizens. shira Sep 2016 #17
I don't believe in miracles. Little Tich Sep 2016 #19
It's not the settlements, so be honest. You'd be against the '47 Partition Plan too. shira Sep 2016 #21
I'm sorry for not being dumb enough to believe that a Palestinian state will magically appear Little Tich Sep 2016 #23
Seriously - you'd have rejected the '47 Partition Plan too. So enough of the BS. shira Sep 2016 #24
Always , always goes back to the occupation Little Tich... Israeli Sep 2016 #9
If I was an Israeli citizen, I wouldn't hesitate to serve in the IDF. Little Tich Sep 2016 #13
If you were an Israeli citizen ..... Israeli Sep 2016 #15
With regard to .......... Israeli Sep 2016 #16
I know all that, and I still wouldn't hesitate to serve. Little Tich Sep 2016 #18
Most of us know that too .... Israeli Sep 2016 #22
With regard to ..... Israeli Sep 2016 #25
It's a bit ironic that the IDF is primarily an occupation force. Little Tich Sep 2016 #26
At what cost to end the occupation? Peace won't result from an end to occupation.... shira Sep 2016 #11
What makes you believe that Israel would ever pull out of the occupied territories? Little Tich Sep 2016 #14
thought experiment 6chars Sep 2016 #20
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