Israel/Palestine

Little Tich

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8. No. For me it's all about rights.

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:39 AM

Jul 2016

If the Jewish State was Jewish in the same sense as the German State is German and the Norwegian state is Norwegian, I would have no objections at all. I think all Israelis should have the same rights regardless whether they are Jewish or not, which is in essence post-Zionism.

However, your argument is a bit of a red herring, as BDS is almost exclusively about the settlements and the occupation, and not the treatment of non-Jewish citizens in Israel. The settlements and the occupation has resulted in a political system of discrimination against Palestinians that is similar to what South Africa once had, hence the Apartheid analogy.

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An immoral boycott [View all] Fozzledick Jul 2016 OP

I support BDS because I'm opposed to Apartheid. Little Tich Jul 2016 #1

it's not apartheid 6chars Jul 2016 #2

The system in the West Bank is very similar to apartheid... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #3

It's neither apartheid, nor is it similar to apartheid. shira Jul 2016 #4

Hmmm. I say West Bank. You say Israel... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #14

The topic is BDS & the BDS leaders claim Israel is apartheid shira Jul 2016 #15

If they're saying that Israel has imposed a system in the West Bank similar to apartheid... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #16

(EDITED) They're saying Israel is apartheid. That's a lie, correct? shira Jul 2016 #22

I don't know what they say and don't really care Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #24

That last bit was about Tutu claiming Israel within its borders is apartheid.... shira Jul 2016 #25

No, I'm asking about the bit where you mentioned Nelson Mandela... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #31

Mandela never claimed Israel was apartheid, similar to apartheid, etc.... shira Jul 2016 #34

And? I'm not getting yr point in mentioning he hasn't mentioned it... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #36

Mandela didn't believe Israel was apartheid, similar...in Israel or the W.Bank. shira Jul 2016 #37

Just addressed that downthread.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #39

You can scream from the rooftops leftynyc Jul 2016 #10

I don't need to. The fact is it's very similar to South African Apartheid... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #12

And yet again you COMPLETELY leftynyc Jul 2016 #17

Not ignoring anything. The discussions about apartheid Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #21

Does shoving words into leftynyc Jul 2016 #26

It comes through loud and clear in yr posts Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #30

How many times do I need to post leftynyc Jul 2016 #40

Tutu has no credibility WRT Israel when he claims Israel within its borders is apartheid. n/t shira Jul 2016 #28

He's talking about the Occupied Territories... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #33

Wrong. Again, Tutu was quoted stating Israel within its borders is Apartheid... shira Jul 2016 #35

Interesting. I wonder if he's referring to East Jerusalem Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #38

You can be opposed to Israeli policy w/o supporting a racist hate movement like BDS.... shira Jul 2016 #5

Are you aware of the difference between the occupied territories and Israel? Little Tich Jul 2016 #7

Your whole approach to the I/P conflict is fundamentally dishonest... shira Jul 2016 #20

Wow, I was thinking the exact same thing about you... Little Tich Jul 2016 #42

I believe in definitions, common terminology. You just make stuff up.... shira Jul 2016 #46

I've never supported any form of boycott against Matisyahu. Little Tich Jul 2016 #49

I looked back and you're right. However, the BDS movement, Omar Barghouti.... shira Jul 2016 #50

That's all very nice, but do you think that Palestinians in the occupied territories are Little Tich Jul 2016 #51

So discrimination is apartheid? shira Jul 2016 #52

Mondoweiss disagrees with "...strongly rejecting idea Israel & Zionism = Jews" shira Jul 2016 #54

Your conclusion seems to be based on a misunderstanding of the content of the MW article, Little Tich Jul 2016 #55

Only because you falsely define Israel's existence as a Jewish state as apartheid. aranthus Jul 2016 #6

No. For me it's all about rights. Little Tich Jul 2016 #8

"I think all Israelis should have the same rights regardless whether they are Jewish or not" oberliner Jul 2016 #9

What about rights regarding property? Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #13

And again here you are leftynyc Jul 2016 #18

And here you are again. Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #27

LOL leftynyc Jul 2016 #29

Where are you getting that 'knowledge' of what happened in 1947? Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #32

Please share what you know about that oberliner Jul 2016 #19

I'm thinking of the laws about absentee property. Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #23

All Israelis DO have the same rights leftynyc Jul 2016 #11

Ony Jewish citizens have the same rights. Little Tich Jul 2016 #43

No, your approach is the red herring. aranthus Jul 2016 #41

First of all, BDS is a tool, not an organization. Little Tich Jul 2016 #44

Proving once again how ignorant you are of BDS and the entire I/P issue. aranthus Jul 2016 #45

I can't see the link between the companies on the Illinois list and the organization you claim is Little Tich Jul 2016 #48

The BDS you support was co-founded by Omar Barghouti shira Jul 2016 #47

Omar Barghouti's friends in BDS, both ElectronicIntifada & Mondoweiss blame Jews.... shira Jul 2016 #53

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Six years on and I still strongly support BDS... Violet_Crumble Mar 2022 #57

Hey :) Israeli Mar 2022 #58

Hello old friend! Violet_Crumble Mar 2022 #59