Israel/Palestine

shira

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5. You can be opposed to Israeli policy w/o supporting a racist hate movement like BDS....

Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:33 AM

Jul 2016

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You know very well it's been proven beyond any reasonable doubt that BDS is a hate movement, so why support it? BDS claims Israel is apartheid - not only the territories - but Israel proper. So BDS lies and incites. Why support it?

In fact, you admitted recently Israel doesn't match the definition of apartheid, and yet you continue to accuse Israel of apartheid. Why?

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As to apartheid, see post #4 above. I'll repeat those fun facts for you here just in case:

About 77% of Arab Israelis believe Israel is better than most other countries.
http://www.herzliyaconference.org/Eng/_Uploads/1388Pat_e.pdf

75% of Israeli Arabs support Jewish, democratic constitution
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/poll-75-of-israeli-arabs-support-jewish-democratic-constitution-1.219373

Up to 80% of Palestinians admire Israeli government more than any other on the planet
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/02/international/middleeast/02LETT.html?pagewanted=1

These are not typical responses from people who believe such a country is Apartheid, or even similar to Apartheid. That's because it's not Apartheid; the charge is baseless & it's incitement to hate each and every time it's used.

Again, BDS - not what you think BDS should be but what BDS is all about - it is BDS that maintains the lie that Israel is apartheid. Mondoweiss does this in many articles. Why do they do that and why do you support that? Lying and supporting lies that cause harm to people is racist.

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An immoral boycott [View all] Fozzledick Jul 2016 OP

I support BDS because I'm opposed to Apartheid. Little Tich Jul 2016 #1

it's not apartheid 6chars Jul 2016 #2

The system in the West Bank is very similar to apartheid... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #3

It's neither apartheid, nor is it similar to apartheid. shira Jul 2016 #4

Hmmm. I say West Bank. You say Israel... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #14

The topic is BDS & the BDS leaders claim Israel is apartheid shira Jul 2016 #15

If they're saying that Israel has imposed a system in the West Bank similar to apartheid... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #16

(EDITED) They're saying Israel is apartheid. That's a lie, correct? shira Jul 2016 #22

I don't know what they say and don't really care Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #24

That last bit was about Tutu claiming Israel within its borders is apartheid.... shira Jul 2016 #25

No, I'm asking about the bit where you mentioned Nelson Mandela... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #31

Mandela never claimed Israel was apartheid, similar to apartheid, etc.... shira Jul 2016 #34

And? I'm not getting yr point in mentioning he hasn't mentioned it... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #36

Mandela didn't believe Israel was apartheid, similar...in Israel or the W.Bank. shira Jul 2016 #37

Just addressed that downthread.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #39

You can scream from the rooftops leftynyc Jul 2016 #10

I don't need to. The fact is it's very similar to South African Apartheid... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #12

And yet again you COMPLETELY leftynyc Jul 2016 #17

Not ignoring anything. The discussions about apartheid Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #21

Does shoving words into leftynyc Jul 2016 #26

It comes through loud and clear in yr posts Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #30

How many times do I need to post leftynyc Jul 2016 #40

Tutu has no credibility WRT Israel when he claims Israel within its borders is apartheid. n/t shira Jul 2016 #28

He's talking about the Occupied Territories... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #33

Wrong. Again, Tutu was quoted stating Israel within its borders is Apartheid... shira Jul 2016 #35

Interesting. I wonder if he's referring to East Jerusalem Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #38

You can be opposed to Israeli policy w/o supporting a racist hate movement like BDS.... shira Jul 2016 #5

Are you aware of the difference between the occupied territories and Israel? Little Tich Jul 2016 #7

Your whole approach to the I/P conflict is fundamentally dishonest... shira Jul 2016 #20

Wow, I was thinking the exact same thing about you... Little Tich Jul 2016 #42

I believe in definitions, common terminology. You just make stuff up.... shira Jul 2016 #46

I've never supported any form of boycott against Matisyahu. Little Tich Jul 2016 #49

I looked back and you're right. However, the BDS movement, Omar Barghouti.... shira Jul 2016 #50

That's all very nice, but do you think that Palestinians in the occupied territories are Little Tich Jul 2016 #51

So discrimination is apartheid? shira Jul 2016 #52

Mondoweiss disagrees with "...strongly rejecting idea Israel & Zionism = Jews" shira Jul 2016 #54

Your conclusion seems to be based on a misunderstanding of the content of the MW article, Little Tich Jul 2016 #55

Only because you falsely define Israel's existence as a Jewish state as apartheid. aranthus Jul 2016 #6

No. For me it's all about rights. Little Tich Jul 2016 #8

"I think all Israelis should have the same rights regardless whether they are Jewish or not" oberliner Jul 2016 #9

What about rights regarding property? Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #13

And again here you are leftynyc Jul 2016 #18

And here you are again. Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #27

LOL leftynyc Jul 2016 #29

Where are you getting that 'knowledge' of what happened in 1947? Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #32

Please share what you know about that oberliner Jul 2016 #19

I'm thinking of the laws about absentee property. Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #23

All Israelis DO have the same rights leftynyc Jul 2016 #11

Ony Jewish citizens have the same rights. Little Tich Jul 2016 #43

No, your approach is the red herring. aranthus Jul 2016 #41

First of all, BDS is a tool, not an organization. Little Tich Jul 2016 #44

Proving once again how ignorant you are of BDS and the entire I/P issue. aranthus Jul 2016 #45

I can't see the link between the companies on the Illinois list and the organization you claim is Little Tich Jul 2016 #48

The BDS you support was co-founded by Omar Barghouti shira Jul 2016 #47

Omar Barghouti's friends in BDS, both ElectronicIntifada & Mondoweiss blame Jews.... shira Jul 2016 #53

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Six years on and I still strongly support BDS... Violet_Crumble Mar 2022 #57

Hey :) Israeli Mar 2022 #58

Hello old friend! Violet_Crumble Mar 2022 #59