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aranthus

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27. This is a subtly difficult question to answer, but I'll give it a go.
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

First, I certainly didn't mean that the principle applies only to the Jews. In this case, it applies to the Palestinians as well. They are a separate people, they aren't a part of some higher sovereign, and they have a right to their own state. Also to the French, Americans, Japanese and any other existing sovereign nation. So if all you're concerned with is the I/P dispute, then it's a simple answer.

Where it gets tricky, is when you go beyond that and have multinational sovereigns like the UK, Spain, Yugoslavia, and the Soviet Union, where the component nation has a well defined territory. Do the Basque have the right to there own state independent of Spain? What about the Kurds in Iraq and Turkey? The UK allowed Scotland to vote on independence, but did the Scots have the right to independence even if the central government didn't want to grant it? Out there in the larger world there's a balance between national and sovereign rights, that isn't present in the I/P dispute. And what about very small tribes?

So the short answer is that the Palestinians, among others, have the right to a state, but I'm not sure that every group or tribe does.

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Arabs must 6chars May 2016 #1
The Nakba was a failed attempt to massacre/genocide the Jews. shira May 2016 #2
Does any criticism of Israeli policies automatically translate into "Israel haters"? procon May 2016 #3
Not at all. aranthus May 2016 #4
I disagree with your allegations. procon May 2016 #5
I understand that. You're a Leftist. aranthus May 2016 #6
Jews already claimed their own state, so that's not even an issue. procon May 2016 #8
You avoided answering a simple question from Aranthus. shira May 2016 #10
Why are you so hostile? Those are your words, not mine. procon May 2016 #12
You left out PEACE! Fozzledick May 2016 #16
You still didn't answer. Aranthus asked again & you didn't answer that either. n/t shira May 2016 #24
You won't answer that simple and fundamental question? Fine. I'll ask it this way. aranthus May 2016 #13
In the same way any group or tribe has a right to a State they can create and defend? Bok_Tukalo May 2016 #26
This is a subtly difficult question to answer, but I'll give it a go. aranthus May 2016 #27
Most of the world ? King_David May 2016 #14
Just like Poland Must Recognize Its Responsibility for starting the Second World War. Fozzledick May 2016 #7
Post of the day! n/t shira May 2016 #9
Exactly! aranthus May 2016 #11
The article is crap ! King_David May 2016 #15
Israel should acknowledge that it had a significant responsibility for the Nakba. Little Tich May 2016 #17
One of the biggest problems in the I/P mess branford May 2016 #18
I believe that those who believe that Israel isn't the ancestral homeland of the Jews and that they Little Tich May 2016 #20
The fact is that denial of Jewish history, autonomy branford May 2016 #21
Do you believe Israel should admit its responsibility for the Nakba or at least let Israelis Little Tich May 2016 #22
The Palestinians bear all the responsiblity. They attacked the Jews... shira May 2016 #25
There have been instances of Israelis admitting this Tony_FLADEM May 2016 #19
Many more than the above Tony_FLADEM...... Israeli May 2016 #23
Thank You! I'll take a look. Tony_FLADEM May 2016 #29
It's not "either/or." Igel May 2016 #28
Fortunately, Wikipedia can help with making things clearer: Little Tich May 2016 #30
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