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NNadir

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15. If your issue is which kind of car is least odious for climate...
Thu May 8, 2025, 07:51 AM
May 8

...you probably want to look at the carbon intensity of electricity on your grid. If it's over 300 g CO2/kWh accounting for embodied energy of the components, a hybrid car is less odious than an electric car. On high intensity grids like PJM where i live, an electric car actually has higher carbon intensity than a pure gasoline car. People tend to forget that most electricity is generated using dangerous fossil fuels, and that carbon based fuels play a huge role in the mining, isolation and preparation of battery components. In general most people do not pay attention to the laws of thermodynamics. Electricity is thermodynamically degraded when it comes out of the wall socket.

There is also a moral cost, the cost of cobalt slavery.

I drive a Toyota Camry hybrid. In mild weather it gets close to 60 mpg, in winter about 50. It is not free of either moral or carbon costs, but the costs are minimized.

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I think your gf is right on! CaliforniaPeggy May 8 #1
I just bought a 12 year old hybrid (Prius) Ms. Toad May 8 #2
☝️ CentralMass May 8 #4
I'm thinking $19000 17 years ago isn't that much less than $40000 now. paulkienitz May 8 #10
It's around $28,550 in today's dollars. n/t Ms. Toad May 8 #16
Inflation calculators always underestimate paulkienitz May 8 #20
Well, my income in 2008 Ms. Toad May 8 #25
Hard to comment, not knowing your financial situation, cashflow or if you own your own place. My wife and I share a Doodley May 8 #3
Listen to her! LittleGirl May 8 #5
They told us factory orders take three months currently. paulkienitz May 8 #14
it wasn't the rechargeable batteries was it? LittleGirl May 8 #17
It was the big battery that failed for her. paulkienitz May 8 #21
That's the first I've heard LittleGirl May 8 #27
If you're getting one, this seems to be the time to do it, before the tariffs kick in. Low price for an EV, good range, NBachers May 8 #6
We felt that way driving a Prius LittleGirl May 8 #18
That model has great reviews IronLionZion May 8 #7
Not many road trips in our lives nowadays paulkienitz May 8 #11
Isnt ford running employee pricing now? Figarosmom May 8 #8
Yeah we got that offer paulkienitz May 8 #12
Consider No Money Down Lease modrepub May 8 #9
Yeah, just signed up for that forum. paulkienitz May 8 #13
If your issue is which kind of car is least odious for climate... NNadir May 8 #15
I'm in California where the grid has plenty of solar, paulkienitz May 8 #22
I'm not a fan of California's grid, solar energy, and definitely not natural gas. NNadir May 8 #23
No. paulkienitz May 9 #29
You will often be driving a car powered by natural gas after exergy destruction. NNadir May 9 #31
Solar is no fantasy. paulkienitz May 9 #32
I'm with your best friend on this one. flvegan May 8 #19
we looked at used prices paulkienitz May 8 #24
cheaper to get a new GF. Groundhawg May 8 #26
GF, GT, what's the difference? NBachers May 8 #28
we bought it... paulkienitz May 9 #30
WE BOUGHT IT... FOR TWO DAYS. paulkienitz May 11 #33
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