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HiPointDem

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26. More comments on electoral processes within AFT from that blog post:
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jul 2013

Ron Poirier
July 12, 2013 at 9:00 pm

Could anyone tell me a theoretical way in which the incumbent AFT president (and I fear that I use the term loosely here) could lose her office? It seems to me that it would have to involve every delegate uniting behind a common opponent AND at least some of her hand-picked delegates breaking their oaths by voting against her.

norm scott
July 13, 2013 at 9:46 am

Ron. Given the political realities which are too deep to go into here, this is pretty much an impossible task. And it is not the big battle. The battle is in the locals.


Robert Rendo
July 13, 2013 at 10:17 am

From what I understand, there would have to be enough locals from the most dense clusters of delegates (I think THE most dense once comes out of New York City Schools) who would be of a mindset different from Randi’s, and the problem is that her union and other more local unions reward and incentivize these delegates with separate slaries, stipends, and pensions. Those not in the Unity Part or who are opposed to it are given little facilitation in getting elected and are not given cushiony or profiteering union position jobs.

Michael Fiorillo
July 13, 2013 at 11:23 am

Like most one-party states, the UFT/Unity caucus as currently constituted is nearly impermeable to internal reform. It even has a captive fake opposition caucus, New Action, that it uses to divert and divide opposition energies.

It’s very ironic that much of the genealogy of the UFT goes back to struggles and competitions within the union between the Communist Party – represented back in the day by the Teacher’s Union – and more conservative elements represented by the Teacher’s Guild, which was ultimately chosen by the membership as its bargaining representative.

The irony is that the UFT/Unity Caucus, though led for years by true believer Cold Warriors such as Albert Shanker, in fact functions very similarly to the Communist Party of old. Internal discussions are held – although there’s very little policy debate in the UFT, even in the upper echelons – and once a decision is made, members are expected to promote the party line.

This plays out on the school level, where Chapter Leaders are expected to sell the issue of the day – currently, that would mean new evaluation procedures designed to effectively end tenure – to the rank and file, rather than educate and activate them.

The danger with this lack of internal democracy is the same as that faced by the Soviet Union: resistant to change, feedback and democracy, it becomes sclerotic, increasingly irrelevant to its members, and vulnerable to collapse. In this case that would likely mean decertification efforts by Randi’s pal Bill Gates-funded fifth columnist groups like Educators for Excellence.


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Weingarten is an obvious plant backed by the privatizers duffyduff Jul 2013 #1
Well, I'm glad to see Diane and Randi working together. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #2
Diane isn't the problem. It's Randi. n/t duffyduff Jul 2013 #3
We must have read a different letter from Diane then. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #4
Ravitch is a straight shooter most of the time. Igel Jul 2013 #5
"By and large those aren't (D) ideas." Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #6
I have always wondered about ravitch 'getting religion' after being one of the architects of the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #11
It's extremely obvious by now she is a mole, a plant duffyduff Jul 2013 #7
I read the thread. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #8
Starry, most people in her home union don't even know they HAVE a union. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #9
I find it hard to wrap my head around- Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #10
"I do know some people who have run on progressive slates in UFT elections and won." = not HiPointDem Jul 2013 #15
It was in NYC, actually. nt. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #17
who? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #18
Why? Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #19
because when people make a claim they should be able to back it up. i'm not interested in HiPointDem Jul 2013 #20
LOL. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #21
where did i call you a liar, or imply it? that's not very cool either. i asked you to back up HiPointDem Jul 2013 #22
Well then we're done. Good night! Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #23
noted. and here are my 'feelings:' when someone asks for a cite for a claim, that is a part of HiPointDem Jul 2013 #24
As veteran teachers are driven out by Danielson and the generally hostile work environment.... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #27
Some of us don't live anywhere near NYC duffyduff Jul 2013 #16
he said he had asked his reps and couldn't get a clear answer. if so, the problem is with his reps, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #12
I have a feeling that the reactions to Diane's letter are probably only regional in scope. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #13
i agree. but like randi's publicized 'arrest' after she'd just finished selling out some local HiPointDem Jul 2013 #14
Ravitch started her blog in April 2012. That was when she became a prominent voice against HiPointDem Jul 2013 #25
More comments on electoral processes within AFT from that blog post: HiPointDem Jul 2013 #26
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