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HiPointDem

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24. noted. and here are my 'feelings:' when someone asks for a cite for a claim, that is a part of
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:09 PM
Jul 2013

normal impersonal political discussion.

when someone answers such a request with 'why?' & "lol" that 'feels' like personal animosity. fyi.

similarly, implying that asking for a cite is equivalent to calling someone a liar.

time will tell how well trusting randi et al pays off.

Both ravitch & weingarten explicitly supported bloomie's one-man rule in nyc, a major reason that nyc is now a wasteland. Later, they had second thoughts -- gee, who could have known that by giving bloomie the majority of votes on education policy it might turn into a personal dictatorship?

But too late. Woe is me, who could have known?

"Two years ago, the State Legislature gave Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg nearly unlimited control of New York City's public schools. It abolished the central Board of Education and created a Panel on Education Policy (with eight members appointed by the mayor, five by the borough presidents) that is largely advisory. The move was a sharp departure from the American tradition of placing education policy in the hands of an independent public board that is not directly controlled by elected officials.

Hoping that this change would reduce bureaucratic inertia, we were among those who supported the measure in Albany. And we certainly commend Mayor Bloomberg for his willingness to take responsibility for improving the public schools. In recent days, however, many of us have realized that the legislation went too far by consolidating all power in the hands of one elected official."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/18/opinion/public-schools-minus-the-public.html

That's definitely the politically 'smart' way to go about it, though. Go with the power & when the inevitable cock-ups appear, become part of the 'opposition' & pretend you were too stupid to understand the consquences at the time.

How the 'smart' people do things & why things are so fucked.

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Weingarten is an obvious plant backed by the privatizers duffyduff Jul 2013 #1
Well, I'm glad to see Diane and Randi working together. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #2
Diane isn't the problem. It's Randi. n/t duffyduff Jul 2013 #3
We must have read a different letter from Diane then. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #4
Ravitch is a straight shooter most of the time. Igel Jul 2013 #5
"By and large those aren't (D) ideas." Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #6
I have always wondered about ravitch 'getting religion' after being one of the architects of the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #11
It's extremely obvious by now she is a mole, a plant duffyduff Jul 2013 #7
I read the thread. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #8
Starry, most people in her home union don't even know they HAVE a union. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #9
I find it hard to wrap my head around- Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #10
"I do know some people who have run on progressive slates in UFT elections and won." = not HiPointDem Jul 2013 #15
It was in NYC, actually. nt. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #17
who? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #18
Why? Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #19
because when people make a claim they should be able to back it up. i'm not interested in HiPointDem Jul 2013 #20
LOL. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #21
where did i call you a liar, or imply it? that's not very cool either. i asked you to back up HiPointDem Jul 2013 #22
Well then we're done. Good night! Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #23
noted. and here are my 'feelings:' when someone asks for a cite for a claim, that is a part of HiPointDem Jul 2013 #24
As veteran teachers are driven out by Danielson and the generally hostile work environment.... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #27
Some of us don't live anywhere near NYC duffyduff Jul 2013 #16
he said he had asked his reps and couldn't get a clear answer. if so, the problem is with his reps, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #12
I have a feeling that the reactions to Diane's letter are probably only regional in scope. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #13
i agree. but like randi's publicized 'arrest' after she'd just finished selling out some local HiPointDem Jul 2013 #14
Ravitch started her blog in April 2012. That was when she became a prominent voice against HiPointDem Jul 2013 #25
More comments on electoral processes within AFT from that blog post: HiPointDem Jul 2013 #26
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