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Igel

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5. Ravitch is a straight shooter most of the time.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:06 PM
Jul 2013

A lot of people have concluded she's "one of us." Some were pleased when she saw reason and joined "our side."

She's on her side.

She was on her side when Kennedy and Bush II claimed her in supporting testing regimes and a more rigorous curriculum when NCLB was being gestated. She looked at the data she had and said, "This is what's needed."

At the time, she wasn't on our side. And the data we had was pretty wimpy. The data was clearly on *their* side--which is one reason Ted Kennedy was on that side.

She was on her side when she looked at the data and said, "No, some of my data were bad. And in any event, the data now show this was a mistake." Duncan has the data. But politically there's a question as to what to do with it.

She still has her side. She has policy recommendations and decided ideas on what is needed. By and large those aren't (D) ideas. However, before any new policy can be implemented the hard-core faith in the current poilcy has to be eroded. Odds are that if that actually happens then we'll suddenly find that she's gone crazy and stopped agreeing with us. Because that's what her data say is best.

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Weingarten is an obvious plant backed by the privatizers duffyduff Jul 2013 #1
Well, I'm glad to see Diane and Randi working together. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #2
Diane isn't the problem. It's Randi. n/t duffyduff Jul 2013 #3
We must have read a different letter from Diane then. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #4
Ravitch is a straight shooter most of the time. Igel Jul 2013 #5
"By and large those aren't (D) ideas." Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #6
I have always wondered about ravitch 'getting religion' after being one of the architects of the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #11
It's extremely obvious by now she is a mole, a plant duffyduff Jul 2013 #7
I read the thread. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #8
Starry, most people in her home union don't even know they HAVE a union. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #9
I find it hard to wrap my head around- Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #10
"I do know some people who have run on progressive slates in UFT elections and won." = not HiPointDem Jul 2013 #15
It was in NYC, actually. nt. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #17
who? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #18
Why? Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #19
because when people make a claim they should be able to back it up. i'm not interested in HiPointDem Jul 2013 #20
LOL. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #21
where did i call you a liar, or imply it? that's not very cool either. i asked you to back up HiPointDem Jul 2013 #22
Well then we're done. Good night! Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #23
noted. and here are my 'feelings:' when someone asks for a cite for a claim, that is a part of HiPointDem Jul 2013 #24
As veteran teachers are driven out by Danielson and the generally hostile work environment.... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #27
Some of us don't live anywhere near NYC duffyduff Jul 2013 #16
he said he had asked his reps and couldn't get a clear answer. if so, the problem is with his reps, HiPointDem Jul 2013 #12
I have a feeling that the reactions to Diane's letter are probably only regional in scope. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #13
i agree. but like randi's publicized 'arrest' after she'd just finished selling out some local HiPointDem Jul 2013 #14
Ravitch started her blog in April 2012. That was when she became a prominent voice against HiPointDem Jul 2013 #25
More comments on electoral processes within AFT from that blog post: HiPointDem Jul 2013 #26
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