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Wed Feb 19, 2025, 10:29 PM Wednesday

Trump Tilts Toward a Ukraine Sellout - WSJ Editorial [View all]

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Mr. Trump on Tuesday mimicked Russian propaganda by claiming Ukraine had started the war with Russia and that Kyiv is little better than the Kremlin because it hasn’t held a wartime election. Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky replied on Wednesday that Mr. Trump was living in a “disinformation space,” which may have been imprudent but was accurate.

Mr. Trump escalated on Wednesday, as he usually does, calling Mr. Zelensky a “dictator,” and suggesting Ukraine’s leader snookered the U.S. into supporting a war “that couldn’t be won, that never had to start.” Mr. Zelensky “refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden ‘like a fiddle.’” It’s tempting to dismiss this exchange as mere rhetoric, but it has the feel of political intention for Mr. Trump. He may be trashing Ukraine’s democracy to make voters think there’s no real difference between the Kremlin and Kyiv. He may think this will make it easier to sell a peace deal that betrays Ukraine.

We doubt most Americans will overlook his false moral equivalence. Mr. Putin’s war of conquest started three years ago this month when Russian troops rolled over the border and tried to capture Kyiv. The war began not because Mr. Putin had legitimate security fears—but because the aging former KGB agent wants to reassemble most of the Soviet empire he saw crumble as a young man. Ukraine has delayed elections while it is operating under martial law and fighting a war for survival. Its constitution allows this, and Britain under Nazi siege didn’t hold an election during World War II. Was Churchill a dictator?

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Mr. Trump may also think he can turn Ukrainians against Mr. Zelensky. But the irony is that Mr. Trump’s lashing may have the opposite effect, especially if they see Mr. Zelensky opposing a bad deal forced on them by a U.S.-Russia pact that includes no credible security guarantee against future Russian marauding. The U.S. has a profound interest in denying Mr. Putin a new perch on more of the NATO border, which is the real reason America has been right to arm Ukraine. A deal that amounts to Ukrainian surrender will be a blow to American power that will radiate to the Pacific and the Middle East. It would be the opposite of Mr. Trump’s promise to restore a golden age of U.S. prestige and world calm.

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Last week Mr. Trump said Ukraine can’t join NATO and must give up much of its territory to Russia—concessions to Mr. Putin with nothing in return. Mr. Putin’s response this week has been more drone attacks on Ukraine. And here we thought Mr. Trump doesn’t like being played. The better strategy than beating up Ukraine is making clear to Mr. Putin the arms and pressure he’ll face if the Russian doesn’t wind down the war to accept a durable peace. As it stands now, Mr. Trump’s seeming desperation for a deal is a risk to Ukraine, Europe, U.S. interests—and his own Presidency.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-10464d9c?st=Lh1gaz&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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Mr Zelensky is a MAN BOSSHOG Wednesday #1
But what no one seems to be saying is it's not up to him. Scrivener7 Wednesday #2
The slobfather will put retaliatory tariffs on Europe Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Wednesday #3
He's going to do that anyway. Scrivener7 Wednesday #4
Exactly! The orange buffoon has finally met a true leader and he can't control him...period PortTack Thursday #8
"Was Churchill a dictator?" J_William_Ryan Wednesday #5
But Trump met with Russia and Saudi Arabia together. They are dividing up the worlds resources and they want ratchiweenie Thursday #6
No...they are not. The EU has announced they will back Ukraine to the tune of 6 billion. Japan and Australia will PortTack Thursday #9
Afghanistan 2.0 TarHeels Thursday #7
TRANSLATION: Trump Crawls Toward Rocknation Thursday #10
Note that this is the WSJ Editorial Board maxsolomon Thursday #11
The sale is complete. The WSJ should know that twodogsbarking Thursday #12
Donny Appeasement wants to give his master Ukraine frogstar0 Thursday #13
And this empty man wants us to believe all talk of connections between him and Russia are fake? Playingmantis Thursday #14
Is Rupert Murdock turning on Trump? Nt Quixote1818 Thursday #15
If Russia is allowed to extend its borders into Ukraine.... 70sEraVet Thursday #16
It's certainly sounding like Munich 1938 again. COL Mustard Thursday #17
What do they mean by "tilt"? More like jumped on Ray Bruns Thursday #18
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