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Uncle Joe

(59,657 posts)
15. Maher's as usual libertarian point of view is an argument against itself.
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 05:56 PM
Aug 4

He even misrepresents who controls the West Bank and it's not a solid green color, it's a bunch of Palestinian islands surrounded by illegal Israeli settlements.

When were the Jews driven out of Palestine?

Palestine was once a Jewish land, a land that was invaded by muslims, and Jews were forced to flee. Why isn't it given back to the Jews and let the muslims return to their land?
First of all, Palestinians have ancestry from the Ancient Canaanites, just like Jews do. (They also have ancestry from Arabs, who brought Islam with them; just like e.g. European Jews also have European ancestry.)

Second of all, the time of Jewish kingdoms in Israel-Palestine was like 2000 years ago. The Anglo-Saxons didn't even live in England yet; Hungarians didn't live in Hungary yet; etc. When the European Jewish Zionist movement started in the 19th century, Palestine had been home to Palestinians, from time immemorial, either way. (There was also a small non-Zionist Jewish population living in harmony with Palestinians.)

Third of all—the issue now is international law. Whether or not it was morally acceptable in the first place to found Israel (or other settler-colonial countries like Canada, the U.S., and Australia), today it is recognized by e.g. the UN; its legitimate border, pending mutual land swaps, is the Green Line. (Meaning “Israel proper” is Israel; Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the West Bank are Palestine; and Israel's civilian settlements inside Palestine are war crimes in violation of the fourth Geneva convention.)

https://www.quora.com/When-were-the-Jews-driven-out-of-Palestine

As for the phrase used "From the river to the sea."

And raise your hand(s) if you think that this was discussed between no_hypocrisy Aug 2 #1
Haniyeh, maybe. Igel Aug 2 #5
I have no doubt and perhaps Bibi thinks Trump is going to win, Trump probably told him that Bev54 Aug 2 #6
After the election, coalitions of parties must be firmed because no party has had 61 karynnj Aug 3 #12
Bibi wants to start a Middle East war so the US comes to his rescue by fighting Iran for him. Lonestarblue Aug 2 #2
Agreed! roscoeroscoe Aug 3 #7
"Appears to have gone rogue"? Really? Sneederbunk Aug 2 #3
Bibi would make a great onboard kamakazi drone pilot MrWowWow Aug 2 #4
Netanyahu should pay for his own wars. America has no business making Netanyahu great again dalton99a Aug 3 #8
Hezbollah runs Lebanon. Iran runs Hezbollah AND their leader, Nasrallah. Got it? ancianita Aug 3 #9
How did Hezbollah originate? I got that Uncle Joe Aug 3 #10
You answered your question. NOW the common denominator is Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Back THEN, as always, ancianita Aug 4 #13
Maher's as usual libertarian point of view is an argument against itself. Uncle Joe Aug 4 #15
And so what. Don't abstract this. Maher knows the history of Palestine as well as you & better than most Americans. ancianita Aug 4 #16
A hybrid state is the most logical, just and long term solution as the Professor stated, Uncle Joe Aug 4 #17
The Mideast Magat orthoclad Aug 3 #11
Everything that is happening is the fault of GB, and the UN. Mosby Aug 4 #14
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