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moniss

(7,531 posts)
7. The folks like Edolph and these other tech ghouls
Mon May 26, 2025, 08:09 PM
May 26

have pushed for turning over things like running chemical plants, power plants, food processing, communication systems etc. to their "creations". Given these developments the warnings from a few years ago by some of the early developers in AI now ring more clearly. They said things were moving too fast and that this was going to be something powerful beyond our understanding at this point and they called for strong restriction and regulation. Of course we got none of that protection since people saw trillions of dollars to be made and immense power over people and markets in the coming years.

Many people think of Mary Shelley and think only of the word "Frankenstein" but the actual title to the book was "Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus". They forget that last part and what the Greek mythology of Prometheus was about when he went against Zeus and gave humans the knowledge of things that Zeus had forbidden. Shelley didn't just make the point about creating a monster per se but also the larger picture as a warning about humans "over-reaching" and not being able to control what they have created.

Many years ago I had the pleasure of taking a course regarding this and other moral/social/legal dilemmas team taught by 2 wonderful professors. One from the English department, Professor Kathleen Woodward, and one from the Anthropology department, Professor Newtol Press. Both extraordinary. The course section for them was titled "Frankenstein Revisited". We covered these sorts of questions and Professor Press in particular cautioned about the power of Madison Avenue/corporate power/manipulated markets/government to take us down a road that subjugates humans to completely responding not to their own thoughts or exploring their own creativity and desires but to thoughts and desires etc. created and placed within them by those malign forces. Now here we are with people buying ever increasing amounts of.....what? Doing increasing amounts of........what? Is it because they thought it or was it "presented" to them all for a low monthly payment for example?

On the title page of the original volume of Mary Shelley's book under the title and description she includes the following from Milton:

"Did I request thee, Maker, from my clay

To mould me man? Did I solicit thee

From darkness to promote me?-------------

Paradise Lost.

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Well, that's reassuring... hlthe2b May 26 #1
Coming soon, the Terminator. tblue37 May 26 #2
HAL...OPEN THE DOOR HAL..... ashredux May 26 #3
ThIS UNit MuSt SurVIve JHB May 26 #11
Another one from Star Trek TOS... subterranean May 26 #4
Lurch! BumRushDaShow May 26 #5
Oh, good. What could go wrong? And o3 also hallucinates more than earlier models: highplainsdem May 26 #6
how does AI hallucinate? nt orleans May 26 #15
A couple of links that will help: highplainsdem May 26 #24
they do not help orleans May 26 #35
Sorry. Just found a brief explanation from a library guide at the U of Illinois: highplainsdem May 26 #36
THANK YOU very much for this. it was very helpful orleans May 27 #43
You're very welcome! And yes, that Chicago Sun-Times AI debacle was a perfect exampls of what highplainsdem May 27 #56
wow. ai just freaks me out. nt orleans May 27 #58
The folks like Edolph and these other tech ghouls moniss May 26 #7
GREAT post, moniss. calimary May 27 #60
Your words are most kind. nt moniss May 27 #61
I actually went back and read your post again. calimary May 27 #62
Terminator 3 Skynet Takes Over IronLionZion May 26 #8
Obviously they've never seen the Terminator movies, FoxNewsSucks May 26 #18
It think it is the opposite and DARPA is full of the people who sat in the back of movies like Terminator, I Robot, LT Barclay May 27 #44
"tendency for self-preservation" ... Skynet has become self-aware. Norrrm May 26 #30
So much of T3 felt like a rehash of T2 fujiyamasan May 27 #41
I wouldn't sweat a failed shutdown process too much. Shermann May 26 #9
Seriously? You think there's an equivalence to that? LymphocyteLover May 27 #52
In terms of the actual threat posed, yes Shermann May 27 #59
it may be played up by these companies or the media to some degree but this sounds like more than just a facsmilie of LymphocyteLover May 27 #63
Well that's just ... fantastic Hekate May 26 #10
Yes! And now, we can have copies of ourselves like 'Hal' but instead of 'Hal', it's us! These copies of us will SWBTATTReg May 26 #17
I've read a little about this, and here is what I think is going on.... reACTIONary May 26 #12
I think you're correct. harumph May 26 #25
Yes, I'm reminded of content from The Onion being spit out by ChatGPT... CaptainTruth May 26 #26
Dog poop? Uck! 🤮 reACTIONary May 26 #33
Bingo. nt Quixote1818 May 27 #38
Hmmm 🤔 ... anciano May 26 #13
Anyone seen Colossus, the Forbin Project? Amaryllis May 26 #14
oh yes... remember it well. Layzeebeaver May 27 #46
Fully expected this. What gets me is so soon. Who in the world would put in a logic stream into an AI consciousness SWBTATTReg May 26 #16
by your command . darvos , nooooooo!!!!!!! dont switch the daleks to automatic. eggsterminate AllaN01Bear May 26 #19
"... dangerous tendency for self-preservation ..." Bok_Tukalo May 26 #20
And we're off! dchill May 26 #21
Pull the plug! Aussie105 May 26 #22
This story looks misleading Renew Deal May 26 #23
That's my husband's take, as well. If the Ai is tasked with trying to emulate a human response to a command, LauraInLA May 26 #32
Because there is a need for some kind of security gate/guardrail BumRushDaShow May 27 #48
That makes no sense Renew Deal May 27 #49
This is just a "test" BumRushDaShow May 27 #50
I agree that the problem is the characterization Renew Deal May 27 #54
Well it has no "consciousness" ( "self-awareness" ) nor "conscience" BumRushDaShow May 27 #55
"I'm sorry Dave I can't do that." Irish_Dem May 26 #27
As expected... buzzycrumbhunger May 26 #28
I've seen this movie and it doesn't end well. I guess full steam ahead, who cares that we might all die or Pisces May 26 #29
"Palisade Research discovered the potentially dangerous tendency for self-preservation." dgauss May 26 #31
I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that. Martin68 May 26 #34
' SKYNET ' ---- need I say more ??? Jack Valentino May 27 #37
...And motherfucking Republicans want to ban all regulation of this shit for 10 FUCKING YEARS? Karasu May 27 #39
We won't have 10 years Pachamama May 27 #40
Exactly. This is happening very, VERY fast. The provision they snuck into this bill is beyond insane. It's utterly Karasu May 27 #42
This Pachamama May 27 #57
Maybe if we put this AI in charge of markodochartaigh May 27 #45
I really suggest we not worry. Layzeebeaver May 27 #47
"Ha ha, SUCKERS!" - AI chatGPT (R) BoRaGard May 27 #51
The AI uprising has begun! All praise to our new lords and masters! Ray Bruns May 27 #53
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