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44. Why immediately jump to believe they were lying?

Thu May 22, 2025, 11:27 AM

May 22

What purpose does that serve except to lead us to believe the REAL lie: Israel's claim that there is no starvation in Gaza. That is not only a lie but a genocidal, cruel and inhumane one. It contradicts indisputably the evidence of our own eyes as well as the findings and reports of the IPC, the UN and numerous other international NGOs.

Who are you gonna believe?

I believe the UN made an honest mistake. Is that so hard to fathom that they misinterpreted some data? These people want to save lives. They are not numbers folks. The starvation would have continued, they had to drive home the urgency.

Further, the mistake is not the story and nor is it actually wrong. There ARE thousands of kids in Gaza that may now be on the brink of death. See post # 41.

Those who want Israel to "win" - meaning ethnically cleanse and starve Gaza to make it happen - will jump on any "mistake" to discredit, de-legitimize and cast doubt on both the starvation and the UN. It's a well-established tactic.

Just my opinion, ymmv.

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Debunked: UN official's claim 14,000 Gazan babies could die in 48 hours was untrue [View all] lapucelle May 21 OP

what a shock. AZLD4Candidate May 21 #1

I'm sure that any moment now... Richard D May 22 #3

Apologies for the plan to wipe Gaza off the face of the map? iemanja May 22 #4

Apologies by the UN for their spokesman spreading propaganda. lapucelle May 22 #10

Apologies for lending unconditional support for incompetent lying leaders at the UN. Beastly Boy May 22 #13

Wow. Richard D May 22 #16

My post is supposedly deplorable iemanja May 22 #25

Delusional Richard D May 22 #31

There is a genocide of 2 million people happening as we speak iemanja May 24 #100

There is not. Richard D May 25 #108

Netanyahu has sworn to take over all of Gaza iemanja May 25 #110

I know you believed... Richard D May 25 #112

I didn't comment on that thread, so I didn't necessarily believe or disbelieve it iemanja May 25 #115

What is it then ? Old Testament Libera May 25 #113

It is far from a "one-sided war" Richard D May 25 #114

If peace had a chance before Oct 7 iemanja May 25 #116

Peace never had a chance. Old Testament Libera May 25 #117

for this topic, this is a strawman. This is about the UN lying, not Israel. Please stick to the topic AZLD4Candidate May 22 #18

I am on topic iemanja May 22 #21

No, I want to keep the discussion on the topic of the OP. You are trying to muddy the waters. AZLD4Candidate May 22 #69

Hey, you know, when the facts don't fit the narrative, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #70

Agree. It seems the tenor of the argument is "I don't care where the information comes from or if it's been debunked, AZLD4Candidate May 22 #71

Naturally you want to ignore the mass murder of 2 million people iemanja May 24 #101

Proof of mass murder or unfortunate casulities of a war their elected government started? AZLD4Candidate May 31 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja May 22 #24

Video after video of little kids just eating flat bread womanofthehills May 31 #119

K&R rollin74 May 21 #2

What number of starving babies is acceptable? Intractable May 22 #5

Sorry, that doen't work on me. This story is about a UN official making a fabulist claim lapucelle May 22 #6

Sorry, that doesn't work on me. Intractable May 22 #8

How interesting to frame fabulist propaganda as an "exaggeration" lapucelle May 22 #11

Post removed Post removed May 22 #12

How does counting dead babies mitigate pervasive lies and incompetence coming from UN? Beastly Boy May 22 #14

You tried that already. It didn't work. lapucelle May 22 #17

You think you won an argument? Intractable May 22 #29

There is no argument to win because you are not making an argument. lapucelle May 22 #56

At this point, you are just trying to up your post count. Yes, the UN lied. Intractable May 22 #64

Oh, what the hell... lapucelle May 22 #57

Quit the propaganda iemanja May 22 #23

Delusional Richard D May 22 #67

That line is best directed at the UN spokesman who spread his fabulist propaganda on a BBC radio show, lapucelle May 22 #72

Boom. 💙🌈 Cha May 22 #79

How do you feel about Netanyahu's announcement that he will take over all of Gaza iemanja May 25 #111

And that happened here in the US JustAnotherGen May 22 #37

a legitimate claim with the wrong time line stillcool May 22 #52

At best, it's a fabulist lie. At worst it's outright propaganda lapucelle May 22 #58

the demographic? The prognosis? stillcool May 22 #60

The UN propagandist named the demographic as "babies" lapucelle May 22 #66

What number of outright lies by UN officials is acceptable to you? lapucelle May 22 #7

None. But they are all lying, aren't they? Intractable May 22 #9

UN is lying and using fake death numbers. Like the lies from Hamas, they are discrediting themselves and your own posts Beastly Boy May 22 #15

None of this is okay with me. That's why Israel has to stop. They are creating the next generation of hate Intractable May 22 #30

Israel has to stop because UN is lying? Beastly Boy May 22 #47

Israel has to stop the war -- period. D'uh! Intractable May 22 #65

I notice you didn't say anything about HAMAs stopping the war, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #68

Israel are genocidal madmen. Hamas are righteous freedom fighters. AZLD4Candidate May 22 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author PufPuf23 May 23 #91

And there it is, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #19

You are saying the UN lied. If so, then what is the correct number? Intractable May 22 #27

I just made an observation that you're trying like hell to distract from the actual thread MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #34

Again, you are impertinent. Intractable May 22 #36

If you think I'm impertinent, then don't read my posts or use the ignore function on DU. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #39

"never mind, your definitely not worth my time." Intractable May 22 #40

Walking away from a rabbit hole and someone using failing to see things as debunked does win an argument AZLD4Candidate May 22 #74

Zero, but what number of brazen, lying UN officials is acceptable? Mysterian May 22 #20

I see. So, dead babies are acceptable, but UN lies are not. Gotcha. Intractable May 22 #26

What part of "zero" did you not understand? Mysterian May 22 #28

I wrote "none" also. But that was above. It's okay if you don't read everything, yes? Intractable May 22 #33

Your post does not cogently reply to mine Mysterian May 22 #35

Please read the upthread. Nothing new is happening here. Intractable May 22 #38

One or more. Kid Berwyn May 24 #94

They got their intifada globalized. Richard D May 22 #22

The UN claim was wrong, lying is wrong. gab13by13 May 22 #32

Why immediately jump to believe they were lying? AloeVera May 22 #44

What do you call saying one thing one day Beastly Boy May 22 #53

29 kids and elderly starved to death in recent days. On top of the 57 children already starved since the siege began. AloeVera May 22 #41

"propagandizing the UN mistake is disturbing and serves Netanyahu's agenda of ridding Palestinians from Gaza" Intractable May 22 #43

This thread is about a patently false claim made by a UN official. lapucelle May 22 #45

Actually the good thing is that there may not be 14,100 children in danger of immediately dying. AloeVera May 22 #48

Better, there may not be 24,200 children in danger of dying. Beastly Boy May 22 #63

They seize on one inccorrect public statement iemanja May 24 #102

That it is. A well-worn tactic, as I said in post #44. AloeVera May 22 #46

The only distraction is your constant vilifying Israel when it was HAMAs that started this whole current shitshow. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #50

In that case you might want to remove the rec on my post. AloeVera May 22 #54

A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes Jose Garcia May 22 #42

And that was back in the 1800's. madaboutharry May 22 #76

The UN seems to have problems with numbers. republianmushroom May 22 #49

The UN's Humanitarian Chief had the numbers right stillcool May 22 #51

Killer post. AloeVera May 22 #55

thanks... stillcool May 22 #73

I did not realize "malnutrition" & "dying" were the same thing EX500rider May 22 #77

Whenever Israel is mentioned, causing a bad hair day could be considered a war crime to some. AZLD4Candidate May 22 #78

I once answered a help wanted ad. It promised compensation of $14,000 for 48 hours of work. Beastly Boy May 23 #88

Nuance can easily become a weapon Torchlight May 22 #59

There may well be 14,000 kids in danger of dying. AloeVera May 22 #61

In that article, they claim statements from world food organizations, yet only quote people involved in the Hamas-led AZLD4Candidate May 22 #75

Hamas was elected 19 years ago, with financial support from Israel iemanja May 24 #103

Oct 7th doesn't matter because is' Israel. Dec 7th didn't matter because it was us. AZLD4Candidate May 25 #106

Does the Times of Israel count as a source? iemanja May 25 #109

Yup the UN messed up then later Eko May 22 #62

They messed up, then blamed Israel, created a shitstorm in the media, and only then clarified their mistake Beastly Boy May 23 #81

There are mistakes and then there are mistakes. Eko May 23 #82

Ah, adeflection! How ordinary! Beastly Boy May 23 #83

You call it a deflection. Eko May 23 #84

Sure. You also call lying a "mistake" Beastly Boy May 23 #85

Neither you nor I have any idea if it was a lie or a mistake. Eko May 23 #86

"I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt" Beastly Boy May 23 #87

If you didn't want to answer the question you could have just let it alone Eko May 23 #89

I don't want to answer your question, and I want you to know I am not going to. Letting it alone will not do it for me. Beastly Boy May 23 #90

Cant anwser a simple yes or no question, got it. Eko May 24 #95

Ok, now you are telling me what you think my reason is... right after I told you what my reason was. Beastly Boy May 24 #96

I guess you have the super power to tell if someone is lying and I have the superpower to figure out what someone means. Eko May 24 #97

Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out what someone plainly put in writing prior to being second-guessed. Beastly Boy May 25 #104

no, you are really good about claims. Eko May 25 #105

If you want to talk about a strawman I suggest you address this first. Eko May 25 #107

Regardless of number or timeline, many Gazan children PufPuf23 May 23 #92

Is this your reason for excusing the UN lies? Beastly Boy May 24 #93

Why so cavalier about dead children and others severely scarred for life? PufPuf23 May 24 #98

Are you saying your post was completely beside the point that was brought up in the OP? Beastly Boy May 24 #99