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Bluetus

(567 posts)
89. That seems unlikely
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 10:26 PM
Jan 22

On one hand, to have actually changed the election outcome would have required a Watergate-style operation in many states. On the face of it, that seems really unlikely.

On the other hand, you don't have to rig any "states", and you probably would not want to hack a central tabulator at the statewide level because that would be easy to expose if the county-level data was available. The place to attack is in Trump-friendly counties, of which there are many. Or more specifically, VERY Trump-friendly precincts/polling places that are under the control of corrupt Republicans. And we already saw in 2020 that the Trump people did, or tried to do exactly that in multiple locations.

I don't have any evidence one way or another so I am not accusing anybody of anything. But to do what Trump apparently described, you might need to find 10 counties in each of the swing states where Republicans control the election machinery and would be eager to cheat. In addition, these counties would either have to be ones without any paper trail (that makes it very easy) or else places where it was unlikely Harris would demand a recount. She ultimately didn't ask for any recounts, so the opportunity at least exists.

The next step would be to corrupt the counts. In my county, we have paper ballots that are retained, but those are generally used only in recount scenarios. Absent a recount demand, you just go with the tabulation that came out of the onsite tabulators at each voting location. In our case, the Inspector at each site removes a memory card from the tabulator when the polls close. We count the ballots to make sure that all ballots are accounted for, matching the number scanned by the tabulator, but there is no manual counting of votes. Without a recount, we rely entirely on the memory card that comes out of each tabulator. The Inspector hand-delivers the memory card to a central location, and should be accompanied by a witness, but that doesn't always happen. The tabulator itself is sealed, placed in locked storage, and collected the next day by county election officials.

Anywhere in that process of hand-delivering that memory card, there can be a chain-of-custody failure. And at that point, a person with some skills could conceivably alter the contents of the memory card to report votes differently than they were actually tabulated. I don't know how elaborate the protections are, including encryption or whatever. But there is zero doubt that a person with Musk's wealth and a few months to plan ahead could fund a team that could crack these cards and manipulate the contents. My guess is that they are not heavily protected because it is always possible to go back and re-tabulate the original ballots. But ... see the problem?

There very definitely is an opportunity to do something like this and avoid detection if recounts are not demanded. And there are undoubtedly plenty of corrupt Republicans. We saw that in 2020. The only real obstacle is scale. For this to work, you would need to repeat this crime 100 or 200 times. I mean that would cost somebody hundreds of thousands of dollars to pull off nationally -- maybe even millions. And nobody has that kind of money to burn ... except ... oh, shit.

If you follow my description, I'm not really talking about hacking anything. I am only talking about modifying the data on a regular old memory card, and you could do that if you know enough about the voting system, specifically the format that the precinct tabulator uses to deliver results to the county tabulators. And how did Trump describe this apparent operation? He said "nobody knows more about these vote counting machines than Elon Musk."

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Good! nilram Jan 22 #1
There is something there Bread and Circuses Jan 22 #67
What is our recourse once it's found the tabulation software was hacked? pfitz59 Jan 22 #2
What about making sure it never happens again? OnionPatch Jan 22 #6
If it is proven that tfg & musk colluded to put tfg in office questionseverything Jan 22 #27
IF proven. only ONE option bluestarone Jan 22 #59
Ok hear me out. cannabis_flower Jan 23 #107
It's not that it shouldn't Polybius Jan 22 #94
HOW? WHO? live love laugh Jan 22 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author OnionPatch Jan 23 #132
What is there to stop them? Jarqui Jan 22 #46
You Are Right Baron2024 Jan 22 #51
Also Baron2024 Jan 22 #56
How did corrupt regimes end? Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #121
Really? How will that happen? By voting? Give me a break rainin Jan 22 #58
This! Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #123
You are correct.. Butterflylady Jan 23 #120
We won't get Trump but Musk doesn't have MadameButterfly Jan 23 #130
All good questions. yellow dahlia Jan 22 #14
Through The Courts And The Media Baron2024 Jan 22 #47
When they control the results - how yellow dahlia Jan 22 #65
If They Suspend The Constitution Baron2024 Jan 22 #71
Hmmmm yellow dahlia Jan 22 #73
What Do You Think? Baron2024 Jan 22 #74
If they do indeed try and suspend the Constitution - yellow dahlia Jan 22 #75
It Would Be Beyond Impeachment Baron2024 Jan 22 #78
The barrage right now feels like storm force winds. yellow dahlia Jan 22 #80
I Agree Baron2024 Jan 22 #82
Agreed yellow dahlia Jan 22 #86
Well given that most law enforcement approve of and voted for Trump and travelingthrulife Jan 23 #116
Good points Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #124
UN-certifying him as 47th president? fierywoman Jan 22 #28
How? Who? live love laugh Jan 22 #40
In The Courts And In The Media Baron2024 Jan 22 #45
Also Baron2024 Jan 22 #52
But the media are as corrupt as SCROTUS and TFP dickthegrouch Jan 23 #128
Don't get me wrong. Statements like this BadgerMom Jan 22 #3
Good point yellow dahlia Jan 22 #15
Well, that won't happen. sinkingfeeling Jan 22 #4
Did you ever think that the Berlin Wall would never fall? Or that Nelson Mandela would never be freed? fierywoman Jan 22 #55
You think the GQP will allow the Democrats to run an investigation? sinkingfeeling Jan 22 #57
Hell no. oldmanlynn Jan 22 #61
Actually, this is a job meant for . . . . wait for it . . . . no_hypocrisy Jan 23 #103
Yes, journalist have failed in their jobs. Farmer-Rick Jan 23 #114
At least somebody is trying to find out something. hadEnuf Jan 22 #5
That's how I feel about it, hadEnuf! I'm glad someone is FINALLY bringing this up! BComplex Jan 22 #7
Trump is probably gaslighting just to fuck with us but I do hope someone looks more carefully into this LymphocyteLover Jan 22 #8
I think in this instance we should take him at his word. Frank D. Lincoln Jan 22 #37
Gaslighting intelpug Jan 23 #97
It's about TIME!!! n/t aggiesal Jan 22 #9
Time for what ? live love laugh Jan 22 #41
What do you think? n/t aggiesal Jan 22 #42
Shapiro better damn well be investigating Figarosmom Jan 22 #10
If there is a legal premise by which he can do, I trust Shapiro to do something. yellow dahlia Jan 22 #17
Shapiro is the Governor. I'm not sure what he can do directly. Wiz Imp Jan 22 #62
Fuck Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #125
To be fair, prior to the 2024 election, the Democrats had won the last 3 Attorney General elections in PA. Wiz Imp Jan 23 #127
I think the horse is already out of the barn jalan48 Jan 22 #11
it always is... stillcool Jan 22 #16
I'm glad orangecrush Jan 22 #22
He made remarks like that during the campaign, and nobody did anything about it. milestogo Jan 22 #12
Yup! yellow dahlia Jan 22 #18
Some of us, on this forum, have been screaming , for the past two months. about those tabulation computers yellow dahlia Jan 22 #13
OWNED by his daughter Ivanka. The media's TOTALLY silent about Ivanka. live love laugh Jan 22 #43
Yep. Me Too. Baron2024 Jan 22 #48
I didn't waver, as I was mocked, either. yellow dahlia Jan 22 #63
Yes Baron2024 Jan 22 #64
Leak needed SpankMe Jan 22 #19
Do you think the 2000 presidential election was rigged, starting with the excuse of hang chads? usaf-vet Jan 22 #20
I also have been thinking this for years. nt Susan Calvin Jan 22 #25
After 2000, the state of Florida made it illegal to hand count votes questionseverything Jan 22 #30
Tampering with software installed prior to the election. returnee Jan 23 #108
Yay! orangecrush Jan 22 #21
Excellent! Owl Jan 22 #23
FINALLY! maspaha Jan 22 #24
Criminals gotta brag Clouds Passing Jan 22 #26
Anyone capable of orchestrating an insurrection Emile Jan 22 #29
I agree. The fact that the votes for the monster were distributed across the population travelingthrulife Jan 23 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author demosincebirth Jan 22 #31
Who's going to investigate it? demosincebirth Jan 22 #32
Trump. LOL live love laugh Jan 22 #35
thanks, I needed some humor tonight. halobeam Jan 22 #68
State Attorneys General Baron2024 Jan 22 #72
Good! With drumphf's: we have the votes, no need etc, and now THIS?... electric_blue68 Jan 22 #33
Such bullshit: "... the comments were quickly seized upon by anti-Trump viewers..." live love laugh Jan 22 #34
Well we know the MAGats would never admit to "rigging" BumRushDaShow Jan 22 #44
Criminals love to confess when safe to do so... GoldenMezzoDiva Jan 22 #36
YES! These are Dems I can support! LSparkle Jan 22 #38
So we're in this dystopian nightmare even though Kamala might have actually won. Frank D. Lincoln Jan 22 #49
Do it now. nilram Jan 22 #93
I think that's a brilliant idea. Frank D. Lincoln Jan 23 #102
Please make this an OP /nt dickthegrouch Jan 23 #129
I'm sure AG Bondi will get right on it as soon as she's confirmed. patphil Jan 22 #50
Don't all voting machines count votes? IJS .... He's just fucking with you. live love laugh Jan 22 #53
Some things need investigating... dchill Jan 22 #54
I Posted About This Before Baron2024 Jan 22 #60
I've always believed they rigged the election.. MiKenMi33 Jan 22 #66
I Think That You Are Right Baron2024 Jan 22 #84
Good to know someone Bettie Jan 22 #69
Of course it was rigged tonekat Jan 22 #70
"While Trump did not explicitly claim vote tabulation was manipulated..." choie Jan 22 #76
GOP has alleged voter fraud forever RussBLib Jan 22 #77
Recounts. We need selective recounts. CaptainTruth Jan 22 #79
Vote Counting Computers are called Central .. Botany Jan 22 #81
That seems unlikely Bluetus Jan 22 #89
I have been doing election protection work for .. Botany Jan 22 #90
Fingerprints? Bluetus Jan 23 #95
If you get a chance read Brunner's Everest Study Botany Jan 23 #96
Brunner report Bluetus Jan 23 #117
Paper ballots and all election materials must be retained for 22 months questionseverything Jan 23 #104
Is that a Federal law? Bluetus Jan 23 #115
Yes questionseverything Jan 23 #131
What do you think about something like this? bluestarone Jan 23 #113
IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME! OMGWTF Jan 22 #83
I'm thinking AI is the cause of vote rigging. LiberalFighter Jan 22 #85
ding. AllaN01Bear Jan 22 #87
So if he rigged the election nothing will be done? twodogsbarking Jan 22 #88
Don't dismiss the idea of election corruption, it's a tradition in many countries, including USA Ttj Jan 22 #91
I have no doubt they did do something, but Joinfortmill Jan 22 #92
Before we go after him creeksneakers2 Jan 23 #98
Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if he had an AI developed specifically for that Karasu Jan 23 #99
I have no doubt that a code could be written, and some say they could even creeksneakers2 Jan 23 #100
Good post True Dough Jan 23 #105
That's what happens when someone with the IQ of a toad just can't shut the f*ck up. Dave Bowman Jan 23 #101
"You'll never have to vote again." Knowledge? Evolve Dammit Jan 23 #106
The Democrats, our Past President Biden all knew the vote was manlipulated. FarPoint Jan 23 #109
List of documentaries about vote hacking: Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 23 #110
It absolutely needs to be investigated Dem4life1234 Jan 23 #111
Of course......... Farmer-Rick Jan 23 #112
ABOUT TIME! Kid Berwyn Jan 23 #119
Who is going to investigate him, the supreme court (chuckle chukel) republianmushroom Jan 23 #122
Absolutely - make it so BoRaGard Jan 23 #126
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