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90. Just not true

Mon Apr 11, 2016, 02:08 AM

Apr 2016

The VAST majority of the bush tax cuts are permanent and plz dont try to sell me on a 39.6% top tax rate.... that is insanely low.

And sorry.. but Obama HAD the votes to get the public option via reconciliation... he only needed 50 votes and they had them.. SANDERS was leading that coalition... but the White House dropped the public option from ita plan and sold us out.

They didnt NEED lieberman at that point.

And IF the democrats hold power in 2010... as they would have if Obama kept the public option you REALLY think the Supreme Court would strike it down??? They would be handing the democrats 2012 and beyond if they pulled that... the only reason it was close is bc the aca remains unpopular. If they struck it down... they poke the beast and we can go after single payer again.. like MOST PEOPLE WANT. The ACA survived bc it is a republican plan... its the plan bob dole ran on... its the plan the heritage foundation came up with... it was never in REAL danger from the supreme court. Its the plan THEY want... they win either way... they get to use its unpopularity against democrats.. but if it stays.. so what.. insurance companies, hospitals, drug companies.. they ate all seeing record profits.

Wake up and smell the cat food.

Obama is the best Republican president since Eisenhower.

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