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Takket

(23,221 posts)
43. yeah... this "math" is trash..........
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 09:40 PM
Jun 2025

Here are two things said in the article.........

"No, it’s not a coin flip."

"But to be generous—and to keep the math conservative—let’s assume each of the 88 counties had a simple 50/50 chance of flipping red or blue."

So... he says it is not a coin flip, and then models it as a coin flip. At this point, you can safely closer your browser window and go on about your day.

What he has given you is the odds of flipping a coin 88 times, and getting heads all 88 times.

This is meaningless. Because this is not how elections work. There are no coin flips here. People make a concision choice of who to vote for, and those votes are counted up.

And as you can see here, 89% of counties voted "more red" in 2024 than they did in 2020:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html

And that should be telling you it would actually be WEIRD for Harris to be flipping red counties to blue, when the shift to the right was in 89% of counties. What few counties she did better in were either already blue and stayed blue, or were red but she didn't do well enough to overcome the deficit between 2020 and 2024.

No coin flips. Dumb/disengaged voters absolutely killed us. your "i never follow politics because both sides are awful but my aunt of facebook says Harris will bring endless war" idiots.

for a REAL analysis of what happened: try this. (Hint: this is what the DNC is going to use to figure out why we lost and how to fix it, not fairy tales).

https://catalist.us/whathappened2024/

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Trump's 'win' was a statistical improbability pfitz59 Jun 2025 #1
not in multiple swing states and even in a few national polls Celerity Jun 2025 #11
Polls were extraordinarily close. Many within the margin of error.... paleotn Jun 2025 #22
Basically the entire country shifted red at the presidential level EdmondDantes_ Jun 2025 #45
Not a false impression at all.... paleotn Jun 2025 #62
That still shows that harris should have won at least two or three Tribetime Jun 2025 #25
Not really fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #64
I could accept Harris losing given the last-minute campaign, but valleyrogue Jun 2025 #61
Kick SheltieLover Jun 2025 #2
Our gut feelings match the real math. yellow dahlia Jun 2025 #3
So all 88 swing counties going red, and winning all 7 swing states outside the recount margin? questionseverything Jun 2025 #4
The assumptions made to come up with that figure are ridiculous Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #14
Could you give us a couple of specific examples to help us sort this out? Thanks. TheRickles Jun 2025 #15
Unless they show exactly how they calculated that probability-- and all the input data LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #20
The article at the link describes their calculations: if 88 counties all flipped in one direction TheRickles Jun 2025 #31
You can't just look at those that flipped. Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #37
But why didn't any counties flip in the other direction? That is the key question. TheRickles Jun 2025 #39
Because 90% of counties across the country went more red in 2024 than in 2020 EdmondDantes_ Jun 2025 #46
Thank you for providing an actual answer: 90% of counties went redder. TheRickles Jun 2025 #47
Most areas went more for Trump than in 2020. Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #49
OK thanks. But the 50-50 toss-up is a big assumption for every state LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #53
Zero evidence? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #18
Here's the thing - I am actually open to believing that the election wasn't 100% fair Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #29
They use their names, the data they use is from government reports questionseverything Jun 2025 #28
They use their names? This Will Hold is somebody's name? Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #34
Denial is a powerful coping mechanism, and part of grieving a loss Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #5
Just curious, are you an American citizen questionseverything Jun 2025 #7
I'm an American citizen and I agree with them Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #13
Dual citizen Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #17
Where do you vote? questionseverything Jun 2025 #24
Nanaimo BC. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #27
I've gotta ask this question. bluestarone Jun 2025 #6
They aren't "findings", they are theories Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #32
Harris/Walz won Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #8
You convinced me. Congratulations! What a great argument you present! Wiz Imp Jun 2025 #38
I'm not a lawyer, never was a debator. I read the evidence. Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #44
Thanx for posting this Botany Jun 2025 #9
A lot of Democratic voters were unhappy with the way Biden was treated Bluestocking Jun 2025 #10
Many did vote but Peter Thiel's Palantir was running a clean up operation that would hide any evidence of .. Botany Jun 2025 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #66
Unless someone includes how many full paper recounts were done in US, ... Festivito Jun 2025 #16
I can't believe any of this if it's only from a substack source. There have to be other sources. The Marc Elias Group ancianita Jun 2025 #19
Elias is a lawyer, not a computer technician questionseverything Jun 2025 #30
His firm is also litigating 55 cases. chowder66 Jun 2025 #41
Elias is an incredible player in this fight for democracy questionseverything Jun 2025 #42
Indeed he is. chowder66 Jun 2025 #50
Why are some people Hornedfrog2000 Jun 2025 #21
Bookmark TY Cha Jun 2025 #23
i'm not a math person but et tu Jun 2025 #26
Eloon and T💩p told on themselves repeatedly. In public. OMGWTF Jun 2025 #55
Cant wait for obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2025 #33
Certainly worth pursuing. oasis Jun 2025 #35
K n R Faux pas Jun 2025 #36
If it's true that "everyone hates Ted Cruz," how does he stay in office? calimary Jun 2025 #40
yeah... this "math" is trash.......... Takket Jun 2025 #43
Kick musette_sf Jun 2025 #48
Discrepancies between early/mail-in votes and day-of-election votes. Foolacious Jun 2025 #51
Why this is important? Metaphorical Jun 2025 #52
Quite simply, the polls were close anyway, but they were wrong. Statistically, that isn't that unlikely. Doodley Jun 2025 #54
And here is just a basic little thought. . since everything krasnov spews is niyad Jun 2025 #56
KNR and bookmarking. I cannot take much more today. niyad Jun 2025 #57
Ok, I've read all the parts, fairly convincing stuff...now... MiHale Jun 2025 #58
Oooo-Weee ! ProudToronto Jun 2025 #59
Everything just went a little too perfectly for Trump mvd Jun 2025 #60
I've thought this since Nov. 6 2024 4catsmom Jun 2025 #63
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