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Ol Janx Spirit

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83. It's incredibly hard to understand--until you look at it through the lens of religion....
Tue May 20, 2025, 07:12 PM
May 20

For the entirety of human existence--across all cultures and eras--there has been a tension between reality and religion. And I do not mean that in a bad way. Religion has obviously served a vital role in the organization and development of culture throughout human history. But from a modern perspective we know religion got many facts wrong about how the world actually works. Despite that fact, religion is still a major factor in today's society--even among scientists who are tasked with accepting outcomes of observations free of bias.

What Trump has cobbled together politically feels much more like a religion than a political movement. It has nothing to do with reality. It demands people believe in IT over anything else--and many do. This gravity brings in many others who look at the stark message of reality that Democrats try to sell and feel like it is far easier to buy into the idea that all of their problems are caused by the external forces of immigration and DEI than by a much more complicated social contract involving tax policy and the equitable distribution of resources in society.

Yes, I understand this is a ludicrous position we find ourselves in, but I think it is crucial to understand in order to go forward as a society. Religion in its many forms has been a powerful tool in shaping society, and it really feels as if we are up against some new form of religion in the MAGA movement. Combatting it demands developing counterarguments based on this understanding.

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This is why we lost. [View all] Eko May 19 OP
"When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." - John 8:44 sop May 19 #1
That should be on his tombstone. spanone May 19 #31
So if we are going to get religious here, I SAY, it was NOT GOD who rescued him from ASSASSINATION--- Jack Valentino May 19 #43
"If there is a God, he will have to beg for my forgiveness". - Unknown concentration camp prisoner CrispyQ May 20 #78
"It is easier for the world to accept a simple lie than a complex truth." anamnua May 19 #2
Much the crux of the issue. Have to boil down our truths more succinctly. Too many voters can't think or reason. dutch777 May 19 #7
Convenience? czarjak May 20 #63
Wow! Reply one and two are bringing the quotes! senseandsensibility May 19 #3
They had more megaphones lame54 May 19 #4
Oh yeah, they certainly do have the RW propaganda zorbasd May 19 #14
Theres not really much of a difference quakerboy May 19 #25
They spend 40 years investing in megaphones... JHB May 19 #29
The bad news? JMCKUSICK May 19 #5
Well, he's not running again Polybius May 19 #8
He has no intention of ever leaving office. LatteLady May 19 #12
I will worry about that RJ-MacReady May 19 #16
F his intentions. CaptainTruth May 19 #26
I don't think that will work. yardwork May 20 #67
A Dem rapid response team refuting the constant lies with truth and facts might be a start? NoMoreRepugs May 19 #6
May need to buy ads tonekat May 20 #52
Also, we didn't realize that plenty of Democrats are racist and sexist too. Scrivener7 May 19 #9
Thank you for this. Funtatlaguy May 20 #61
Misogyny and racism enigmania May 20 #64
Moore misogyny than racism soldierant May 20 #85
Sadly you are correct FakeNoose May 20 #71
The more accurate Biblical reference is ... Tarzanrock May 19 #10
Misinformation Iamscrewed May 19 #11
We've been living in a "post-factual" world ever since his first term. That is the face of modern conservatism. Karasu May 19 #13
It's been a lot longer than that. Wiz Imp May 19 #23
A lot of people simply believe Mtnmama May 19 #17
Not so much believe LQ_Dem May 20 #81
I think the better term is *disinformation.* Dark n Stormy Knight May 20 #79
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics BidenRocks May 19 #15
We lost because they appealed to emotions and we did not. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 19 #18
it is easier to appeal to fear and ignorance Skittles May 19 #20
There are positive emotions and negative emotions Bluetus May 19 #37
You get it. Your post is full of good points. Bernardo de La Paz May 19 #40
Yes, but the thing to do is to do both. That's what Obama did Bernardo de La Paz May 19 #39
a lot easier done with a fair media Skittles May 20 #44
I'm trying to come up with things to do, ways to go forward. I get a lot of negativity in response Bernardo de La Paz May 20 #50
Or maybe it has something to do with B.See May 19 #19
Great quotes in this thread! Martin Eden May 19 #21
He said he would reopen the mines MaineBlueBear May 19 #22
Partly true DownriverDem May 19 #24
We lost because Trump has never been held to account for his lies. Doodley May 19 #27
Yeah, they have so much of the Fascsit enabling media.. Cha May 19 #28
I get the the value of the tweet for its rhetorical flair BaronChocula May 19 #30
I'm with you. Eko May 19 #33
precisely B.See May 20 #47
So many "what are Democrats doing wrong" and none of the answers make any sense to me. betsuni May 19 #42
The only question is BaronChocula May 20 #46
Yes, that's the question. Without knowing anything about that world, I don't know betsuni May 20 #60
It's incredibly hard to understand--until you look at it through the lens of religion.... Ol Janx Spirit May 20 #83
I'm actually less concerned with the cult BaronChocula May 21 #86
The media is supposed to be the great arbiter Jarqui May 19 #32
The media is a for profit business Kaleva May 19 #34
Single mothers, folks working three jobs to get by Jarqui May 19 #35
damn straight Skittles May 20 #45
We lost because SomedayKindaLove May 19 #36
i blame the teevee gnewz + amerikan stupids/amnesia. and the economy. well, inflation. pansypoo53219 May 19 #38
Nope. 77 million people were too stupid to think any better, and flvegan May 19 #41
Yes. But what gets me the most B.See May 20 #49
We lost because they ran a famous candidate who's nothing more than a figure head. Initech May 20 #48
The MAGA party has many voters whose belief systems are based on faith and emotion. thought crime May 20 #51
Trump lied in 2020, too, and he lost. That's not the all of it. DJ Synikus Makisimus May 20 #53
The Harris campaign did not do anything to "alienate voters into becoming non-voters." betsuni May 20 #56
Not a thing .. GJGCA May 20 #69
Why would Democratic voters be "alienated" by a Democratic candidate like Harris? betsuni May 20 #70
Probably or almost certainly... GJGCA May 20 #73
No! They're terrible liars. Obvious, over-acting, change the lie in the middle of the sentence, they don't even try. betsuni May 20 #54
Trump voter are blind bigots and a lost cause. love_katz May 20 #55
We served spinach and they served chocolate cream pie. no_hypocrisy May 20 #57
Another relevant quote -- from Churchill during WW2 anamnua May 20 #58
There is no way they won every battleground ground state. Anybody Emile May 20 #59
Here is a Quote - Lokee11 May 20 #62
We lost because the Biden administration was unpopular and because of high inflation. DickKessler May 20 #65
The US news media told us that the Biden administration was "unpopular" FakeNoose May 20 #72
That's right. Martin68 May 20 #66
We lost because too many Democrats & those on the Left who voted for Biden elocs May 20 #68
a big part of it, but there were so many reasons including $250 million from Elon and possible vote tampering LymphocyteLover May 20 #75
and mainstream is sold out southmost May 20 #74
cute line but it's WAY over-simplified LymphocyteLover May 20 #76
Fear and Selfishness JustAnotherGen May 20 #77
It was because they were eating the dogs, they were eating the cats... C Moon May 20 #80
No it's not. Oopsie Daisy May 20 #82
+1 oasis May 20 #84
+2 betsuni May 21 #87
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