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66. FDR / New Deal are often described as populist (in a good way)

Tue May 20, 2025, 02:27 AM

May 20

It looks like you are depending on one person’s view of FDR. There are many views. The rich elite considered him to be a traitor to his class. Conservatives called him a Socialist (to be fair, some extremists also called Eisenhower a communist). Huey Long attacked him from the left. He was greater than all of that. He was a pragmatist who sought the best solutions from different factions or “lanes”. You called him a capitalist; I’ll call him a Social Democrat. There is much in Bernie’s message that echoes FDR’s New Deal, and he offers much praise for FDR. He grew up during the New Deal and obviously turns to it as a model. That is why it is absurd for people to stridently claim “Bernie is not a Democrat!”, as if it somehow disqualifies him.

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Bernie is really fucking old. He can't leave the door open forever. [View all] SalamanderSleeps May 18 OP

Sorry, not seeing a broad appeal fujiyamasan May 18 #1

trump never won an election for anything mountain grammy May 18 #10

Yes, but also rich and famous and able to get away with stunts we would never pull. CTyankee May 18 #11

And that just proves the point of the need to have at least statewide political experience. n/t valleyrogue May 18 #15

how does it prove the point? cadoman May 19 #57

Trump already had massive name recognition in 2016 fujiyamasan May 19 #18

He had a different kind of appeal aimed at a different kind of person. Crunchy Frog May 20 #63

True that mountain grammy May 20 #64

Nope. That's wishful thinking and not something that would work in the real world. Oopsie Daisy May 18 #2

Economic populism appeals massively to the center thought crime May 19 #30

What proof is there that economic populism appeals massively to the center? betsuni May 19 #31

The New Deal thought crime May 19 #40

Not populist. FDR was a top 1% elite establishment wealthy capitalist, not a populist or democratic socialist. betsuni May 19 #42

FDR / New Deal are often described as populist (in a good way) thought crime May 20 #66

Trump won Missouri by 18 points and biocube May 19 #47

History shows that this message is definitely not the way to win national elections. Oopsie Daisy May 19 #35

Buttegieg 2028 markie May 18 #3

We tend to elect Presidents with easy, simple last names Polybius May 18 #17

This is true, Obama is the only president elected so far with a non European last name fujiyamasan May 19 #19

Eisenhower? Retrograde May 19 #58

Well, that was 73 years ago :) Polybius May 19 #59

I like the way you think - no joke. SalamanderSleeps May 20 #67

I liked Bernie becoming a... Mike Nelson May 18 #4

You have been here since 2022? pwb May 18 #5

IK,R? Oopsie Daisy May 19 #36

Apparently, you never been in "time out." SalamanderSleeps May 20 #74

This ticket would not work. bottomofthehill May 18 #6

Sorry, both need to win a state wide race, the US Senate, serve there like Pres. O did before... brush May 18 #7

The beginning was 20 years before you joined obamanut2012 May 18 #8

You and I are wondering the same thing. The clues are all there. Oopsie Daisy May 19 #37

I took it to mean that they've been lurking since day one and just joined in 2022. Xavier Breath May 19 #46

AOC + Mayor Pete equals a Republican elected in 2028. elocs May 18 #9

By that I guess you mean that women, and women of color, and homosexuals Jack Valentino May 19 #20

The sad truth is that there is a 0 track record of electing a woman to the presidency elocs May 19 #25

The larger truth is that we must change that track record. thought crime May 19 #29

I've voted for Democrats exclusively for over 50 years now. Your stance is simply stupid, elocs May 19 #38

I'll join the bandwagon taking your dare. RandomNumbers May 18 #12

Meeting the majority where they are? IzzaNuDay May 19 #27

No. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E May 19 #33

Sorry but it hasn't. róisín_dubh May 21 #80

Why not edhopper May 18 #13

LOL!!!!! valleyrogue May 18 #14

Too post-modern and academic. David__77 May 18 #16

The 2028 Candidate has to Mountainguy May 19 #21

The ticket would work just fine DFW May 19 #22

If that was our ticket, Vermont would become a swing state. Wanderlust988 May 19 #23

What does that mean? displacedvermoter May 19 #32

No chance that will result in a win. I like Mark Cuban somehow dealt into the ticket. Melon May 19 #24

My choice for 2028 is Tim Walz. BlueKota May 19 #26

DU was established at the time of the election of George W. Bush. madaboutharry May 19 #28

So, all the people that read the site but have not joined are not considered 'people' or something? OldBaldy1701E May 19 #34

I didn't say that. madaboutharry May 19 #39

It wouldn't work. BannonsLiver May 19 #41

Sanders has also accomplished so very little in his decades-long legislative career. W_HAMILTON May 19 #43

2 words "Amendment King." SalamanderSleeps May 19 #60

links ? speak easy May 20 #65

Politifact.com/factchecks Emile May 20 #70

Most all Democratic progressive ideals since 1960 were born from youth and the left of center. PufPuf23 May 20 #62

'Fraid not justaprogressive May 19 #44

That ticket would work wonderfully, if you want to give the fascists a landslide victory. BlueTsunami2018 May 19 #45

If that's the ticket Greg_In_SF May 19 #48

AOC cannot win statewide in NY Danmel May 19 #49

If Chuck Schumer can win statewide, so can AOC. Emile May 20 #69

True SocialDemocrat61 May 20 #72

Republians would rejoice if that were the Democratic ticket Mysterian May 19 #50

That ticket would not work in 2028 and it is the DemocraTIC Party, not the Democrat Party. LoisB May 19 #51

***IF*** They're going after new voters with new ideas yes .. but if they're going after the white male vote... uponit7771 May 19 #52

I know a tell. Only MAGA trolls say Democrat party. usonian May 19 #53

It does seem off. Even those that truly want AOC to be President JI7 May 20 #76

That's a great idea... JoseBalow May 19 #54

Yeah Bernie is old, but he isn't running, as far as I can tell. AS FOR AOC, DJ Synikus Makisimus May 19 #55

No dwayneb May 19 #56

Why what is wrong with AOC? SalamanderSleeps May 19 #61

I get it. SalamanderSleeps May 20 #68

I've heard the view expressed anamnua May 20 #71

It's BS SocialDemocrat61 May 20 #73

Conspiracy theory easily debunked. Here (1. Myth of the All-Powerful Democratic National Committee) betsuni May 20 #75

Democratic voters made their choice. Quiet Em May 21 #78

That ticket won't work Bayard May 21 #77

If you like that ticket awesomerwb1 May 21 #79