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BaronChocula

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30. I get the the value of the tweet for its rhetorical flair

Mon May 19, 2025, 09:47 PM

May 19

But I want to make sure that Vice President Harris gets her due as a clear communicator in the election. She tore the rapist to pieces in the debate and excited record crowds.

I'm just a little sensitive seeing how so many of us who were confident going into Election Day and then turned to blame the Party when the victory didn't happen. I am solidly convinced that the loss was due to attitudes and bias (race + gender) and not because of failures in the campaign. The Harris/Walz campaign was focused and on message. They were running against a veritable perennial trainwreck of a campaign (2016, 2020, 2024). The question should NOT be "what are Democrats doing wrong" but "how do we overcome crippling bias in the U.S.?"

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This is why we lost. [View all] Eko May 19 OP

"When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." - John 8:44 sop May 19 #1

That should be on his tombstone. spanone May 19 #31

So if we are going to get religious here, I SAY, it was NOT GOD who rescued him from ASSASSINATION--- Jack Valentino May 19 #43

"If there is a God, he will have to beg for my forgiveness". - Unknown concentration camp prisoner CrispyQ May 20 #78

"It is easier for the world to accept a simple lie than a complex truth." anamnua May 19 #2

Much the crux of the issue. Have to boil down our truths more succinctly. Too many voters can't think or reason. dutch777 May 19 #7

Convenience? czarjak May 20 #63

Wow! Reply one and two are bringing the quotes! senseandsensibility May 19 #3

They had more megaphones lame54 May 19 #4

Oh yeah, they certainly do have the RW propaganda zorbasd May 19 #14

Theres not really much of a difference quakerboy May 19 #25

They spend 40 years investing in megaphones... JHB May 19 #29

The bad news? JMCKUSICK May 19 #5

Well, he's not running again Polybius May 19 #8

He has no intention of ever leaving office. LatteLady May 19 #12

I will worry about that RJ-MacReady May 19 #16

F his intentions. CaptainTruth May 19 #26

I don't think that will work. yardwork May 20 #67

A Dem rapid response team refuting the constant lies with truth and facts might be a start? NoMoreRepugs May 19 #6

May need to buy ads tonekat May 20 #52

Also, we didn't realize that plenty of Democrats are racist and sexist too. Scrivener7 May 19 #9

Thank you for this. Funtatlaguy May 20 #61

Misogyny and racism enigmania May 20 #64

Moore misogyny than racism soldierant May 20 #85

Sadly you are correct FakeNoose May 20 #71

The more accurate Biblical reference is ... Tarzanrock May 19 #10

Misinformation Iamscrewed May 19 #11

We've been living in a "post-factual" world ever since his first term. That is the face of modern conservatism. Karasu May 19 #13

It's been a lot longer than that. Wiz Imp May 19 #23

A lot of people simply believe Mtnmama May 19 #17

Not so much believe LQ_Dem May 20 #81

I think the better term is *disinformation.* Dark n Stormy Knight May 20 #79

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics BidenRocks May 19 #15

We lost because they appealed to emotions and we did not. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 19 #18

it is easier to appeal to fear and ignorance Skittles May 19 #20

There are positive emotions and negative emotions Bluetus May 19 #37

You get it. Your post is full of good points. Bernardo de La Paz May 19 #40

Yes, but the thing to do is to do both. That's what Obama did Bernardo de La Paz May 19 #39

a lot easier done with a fair media Skittles May 20 #44

I'm trying to come up with things to do, ways to go forward. I get a lot of negativity in response Bernardo de La Paz May 20 #50

Or maybe it has something to do with B.See May 19 #19

Great quotes in this thread! Martin Eden May 19 #21

He said he would reopen the mines MaineBlueBear May 19 #22

Partly true DownriverDem May 19 #24

We lost because Trump has never been held to account for his lies. Doodley May 19 #27

Yeah, they have so much of the Fascsit enabling media.. Cha May 19 #28

I get the the value of the tweet for its rhetorical flair BaronChocula May 19 #30

I'm with you. Eko May 19 #33

precisely B.See May 20 #47

So many "what are Democrats doing wrong" and none of the answers make any sense to me. betsuni May 19 #42

The only question is BaronChocula May 20 #46

Yes, that's the question. Without knowing anything about that world, I don't know betsuni May 20 #60

It's incredibly hard to understand--until you look at it through the lens of religion.... Ol Janx Spirit May 20 #83

I'm actually less concerned with the cult BaronChocula May 21 #86

The media is supposed to be the great arbiter Jarqui May 19 #32

The media is a for profit business Kaleva May 19 #34

Single mothers, folks working three jobs to get by Jarqui May 19 #35

damn straight Skittles May 20 #45

We lost because SomedayKindaLove May 19 #36

i blame the teevee gnewz + amerikan stupids/amnesia. and the economy. well, inflation. pansypoo53219 May 19 #38

Nope. 77 million people were too stupid to think any better, and flvegan May 19 #41

Yes. But what gets me the most B.See May 20 #49

We lost because they ran a famous candidate who's nothing more than a figure head. Initech May 20 #48

The MAGA party has many voters whose belief systems are based on faith and emotion. thought crime May 20 #51

Trump lied in 2020, too, and he lost. That's not the all of it. DJ Synikus Makisimus May 20 #53

The Harris campaign did not do anything to "alienate voters into becoming non-voters." betsuni May 20 #56

Not a thing .. GJGCA May 20 #69

Why would Democratic voters be "alienated" by a Democratic candidate like Harris? betsuni May 20 #70

Probably or almost certainly... GJGCA May 20 #73

No! They're terrible liars. Obvious, over-acting, change the lie in the middle of the sentence, they don't even try. betsuni May 20 #54

Trump voter are blind bigots and a lost cause. love_katz May 20 #55

We served spinach and they served chocolate cream pie. no_hypocrisy May 20 #57

Another relevant quote -- from Churchill during WW2 anamnua May 20 #58

There is no way they won every battleground ground state. Anybody Emile May 20 #59

Here is a Quote - Lokee11 May 20 #62

We lost because the Biden administration was unpopular and because of high inflation. DickKessler May 20 #65

The US news media told us that the Biden administration was "unpopular" FakeNoose May 20 #72

That's right. Martin68 May 20 #66

We lost because too many Democrats & those on the Left who voted for Biden elocs May 20 #68

a big part of it, but there were so many reasons including $250 million from Elon and possible vote tampering LymphocyteLover May 20 #75

and mainstream is sold out southmost May 20 #74

cute line but it's WAY over-simplified LymphocyteLover May 20 #76

Fear and Selfishness JustAnotherGen May 20 #77

It was because they were eating the dogs, they were eating the cats... C Moon May 20 #80

No it's not. Oopsie Daisy May 20 #82

+1 oasis May 20 #84

+2 betsuni May 21 #87