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40. We need to build the ecosystem, and then we need to *support it*.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:49 PM
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And that really means more than the one network we tried (Air America), which was not the total failure that some have made of it--Air America launched the careers of a number of personalities, and many of them continue to this day either on other networks or as self-syndicated shows. But the most important thing is that these networks must be supported by both the listeners and the Democratic party. That needs to be seen as an ongoing investment for many years. How long did it take for Fox News to become profitable? And how long did Rush Limbaugh "suck wind in Sacramento", as Randi Rhodes put it? (Her answer: 15 years!).

Here's a little story, and I'll try to make it brief. Some here may have noticed that I pay (maybe too much) attention to the insane radtrad faction in the Catholic church. Of course, that's because I have a personal connection. For example, I watched in horror as one newly-appointed radtrad priest single-handedly destroyed a Newman Center ministry at an upper Midwest university within a year's time. It turned out that this was not the first university that had a "wrecker priest" destroy their campus ministry; in fact, it looked like this was an actual strategy by the radtrad clergy. I then became aware that radtrad billiionaires like Tom Monaghan were buying up radio stations to spread "supply-side-Jesus"-style Catholicism to the masses. All radtrad, all the time, and forget about the Beatitudes or the Social Gospel. (In fact, anyone who mentioned those things was fired).

So it turns out that these stations are often so low-rated that they can't even generate an Arbitron number. I discovered that because our local paper at the time was still serious about journalism, and they had a reporter with a personal connection to the Church who noticed the same things I did. The bottom line is that these stations (and now cable TV as well, like EWTN) don't make any money. They are usually guaranteed money-losers. However, they pay off when it comes to electing idiots (Trump being just the latest). It also is about doctrinal control and Google-bombing. These networks all link to each other and similar like-minded organizations, which triggers the Google algorithm to give them priority in web searches. Over the years, this has been refined and perfected so that nowadays any search for Catholicism-related topics nearly always means that one or more far-right organizations is at the top of the list. That's what they're paying for.

We need to wise up and start creating our own media infrastructure which isn't dependent on MSNBC or other existing organizations. And yes, it needs to be multimodal--it probably is true that radio is a dying format, and podcasts and the internet are the future. However, radio isn't dead yet, and there are still good stations that soldier on (like KTNF in the Twin Cites), often producing their own local content as well. The Democrats need to support these stations, as do other organizations like labor unions and NGOs. Otherwise, I fear we'll continue to be rolled by Fox News and their imitators for years to come.

this. It's the propaganda, stupid. unblock Yesterday #1
+1 GoodRaisin Yesterday #45
I wish I knew. unblock Yesterday #47
BINGO!!! The DNC needs its version of FAUX NewZ PERIOD !! FAUX NewZ is candy for LIVs, the amount of disinformation... uponit7771 Yesterday #2
I think social media and podcasts are actually more influential than Fox News. Elessar Zappa Yesterday #27
I heard the other day TheFarseer 13 hrs ago #55
This AZSkiffyGeek 12 hrs ago #57
Get to work Democrats. oasis Yesterday #3
It's always been an information war. Phoenix61 Yesterday #4
I saw this coming back in the early Rush days. OnionPatch Yesterday #10
Me too. lynnyl Yesterday #24
Why oh why can't our side have radio! OnionPatch 13 hrs ago #50
Agree. We cannot rely on any existing media to refute the lies and accurately report the news. Lonestarblue Yesterday #5
I wonder what Marc Cuban is doing? flamingdem Yesterday #6
Unless you get Randi Rhodes on board with information sharing and spreading the effort won't be worth a fuck SoFlaBro Yesterday #48
They drilled a well that came up dry bucolic_frolic Yesterday #7
Well TSF did. johnnyfins Yesterday #31
? Lemon Lyman Yesterday #8
We don't need to be like them OnionPatch Yesterday #11
- Lemon Lyman Yesterday #12
How in the world do we counter Rogan flamingdem Yesterday #21
There's got to be a way to make liberalism interesting. Elessar Zappa Yesterday #29
TV is for the 80s and 90s BannonsLiver Yesterday #33
We have to remember the young men who are red hats have grown up seeing trump FloridaBlues Yesterday #37
You know what the fuck seems to do well, podcasts that critique and goof on these fucking RW shit fountains. SoFlaBro Yesterday #49
If the economy under shithole tanks.................. Lovie777 Yesterday #9
If we're ever allowed to have free & fair elections Island Blue Yesterday #17
This Ars Longa Yesterday #22
Not if they Gop Ussr are successful at saying it was the dems fault oldmanlynn Yesterday #30
Yes yes yes Sunsky Yesterday #13
I think I disagree with this somewhat EarlG Yesterday #14
So true that dems will win again after repubs destroy everything! flamingdem Yesterday #20
That starts with stop relying on legacy media. Yavin4 Yesterday #15
I said it in another post but Elessar Zappa Yesterday #32
we had air america, and no dems took out ads. not john kerry, not any of them. mopinko Yesterday #16
Raise your hand if you subscribe to Daily Kos Bobstandard Yesterday #18
Wonkette too! Easterncedar Yesterday #26
It's not possible at this point. GaYellowDawg Yesterday #19
Fox is a relic BannonsLiver Yesterday #36
1000% SomedayKindaLove 12 hrs ago #60
There aren't going to be elections. Our country is finished. NNadir Yesterday #23
I think there will still be elections -- Russian style, where it just doesn't matter William Seger Yesterday #25
It's Not Just Fox Noise Deep State Witch Yesterday #28
Right and they are " monetized". I have tried to explain this to my very gullible friend time and time again. tulipsandroses Yesterday #34
Nonsense. You can't change these people. Stop trashing the Democratic Party over valleyrogue Yesterday #35
Won't be easy Jmoncada 12 hrs ago #59
That's clear to me as well. BannonsLiver Yesterday #38
"Information ecosystem" is horrible babble. Wanting it to be "well-oiled" is crappy mixing of metaphors. muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #39
We need to build the ecosystem, and then we need to *support it*. keep_left Yesterday #40
People keep saying we need our own Fox News ibegurpard Yesterday #41
I was thinking along these lines myself. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #42
You are leaving out every Sunday morning in America! IrishAfricanAmerican Yesterday #43
THIS is only part of it kwolf68 Yesterday #44
The main problem isn't Fox. orange jar Yesterday #46
Where is our liberal podcasters that reach young women? Demovictory9 13 hrs ago #53
This! happy feet 13 hrs ago #51
Kitchen table issues oldreliable_one 13 hrs ago #52
You eject an incumbent power with anger bucolic_frolic 13 hrs ago #54
We lost the propaganda wars. Irish_Dem 12 hrs ago #56
I think a lot of Republican voters are clueless TheFarseer 12 hrs ago #58
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