With only one candidate remaining, how can anyone around here still be "Undecided"?

[George II]

[zackymilly]

1. Some feel a need to still protest. nt

[forgotmylogin]

53. Or we haven't felt like doing it.

It needn't be a protest. We're just not posting in the primaries forum.

[nolawarlock]

56. Yet here you are. n/t

[mucifer]

2. Why is the primary thing not shut down?

I'm too lazy to put Biden. Maybe I just don't want to. I still prefer Warren.

Of course I will vote for Biden. But, he's not my primary choice

[Maxheader]

3. Received/completed/mailed..

Mine..couple days ago...1st choice was.....

[MyOwnPeace]

4. Forget the words..........

go by the color:

I'm voting BLUE, no matter who!

[Ferryboat]

6. Exactly this

Vote blue!

[NurseJackie]

5. It's a passive-aggressive swipe at Biden, and a reinforcement of the "Lesser of Two-Evils" bullshit.

It's a passive-aggressive swipe at Biden, and a reinforcement of the "Lesser of Two-Evils" bullshit. The time for pouting and disappointment is over. We've known for quite a while now that Biden is our party's nominee. It's not this is some shocking surprise that happened out of the blue without any warning.

The adults and mature-rational voters who live in the real world have had plenty of time to come to terms with the fact that their favorite candidate dropped-out or wasn't chosen. The time for weeping is over. The time for protesting is over. The time for taking cheap-shots and swipes at our party's nominee is OVER!

It's not at all difficult for anyone to make known that they support the Democrat. It's just two clicks away.

Just go here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=candidate_pref ... and click to support Biden. There are no other choices. Just Biden. He's our man.



Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
They're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & let's take back America!!

[thesquanderer]

24. Nonsense. There's no reason to assume it's a swipe at Biden.

Other candidates are still on most (all?) state ballots. In fact, knowing Biden will get the nomination (eliminating any concerns over electability, for example, or someone you REALLY don't like getting the nomination) actually frees someone to simply make known who they would truly prefer in an ideal world.

I changed my preference to Biden when Warren dropped out, for reasons I described at https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287672216 -- reasons I believed he was a better choice than Sanders who was the only other potentially viable possibility at the time. But in fact, now that I don't have to worry about the nod going to Sanders, I might very well vote for Warren if she's on my ballot, to make that statement of support. (Though as it happens, this site does not let me switch my displayed preference away from Biden!)

At any rate, I don't believe in purity tests, and I respect anyone's decision to display or not display their preference, for whatever reason. Nobody on this site is obligated to announce their voting preference to the world.

[NurseJackie]

29. Only ONE party can defeat the GOP: DEMOCRATS. Only ONE candidate can defeat Trump: BIDEN.

Other candidates are still on most (all?) state ballots.

Irrelevant. There's no other way around it. Biden is our nominee. No other candidate will be our party's nominee.

actually frees someone to simply make known who they would truly prefer in an ideal world.

It "frees someone" to openly snub our party's choice is what it does.

Nobody on this site is obligated to announce their voting preference to the world.

Also irrelevant. That's a strawman because nobody is making the argument that anyone has such an "obligation".

Instead, what we are doing is letting you (and others) know that the snub and middle-finger being given to our party's choice is very obvious.

I might very well vote for Warren if she's on my ballot, to make that statement of support.

Why? She's not running. What does it accomplish? Nobody is fooled by all these convoluted justifications and excuses. It's just a way to say "fuck you" to Joe Biden.

And as you correctly noted, people are completely entitled to live in some "ideal world" fantasy and vote for a candidate who has ZERO chance of being our party's nominee. Just as loyal Democrats such as myself and others are entitled to name that type of behavior and call it out for what it really is.

All I'm saying (and repeating for clarity) is that this type of behavior is a passive-aggressive swipe, snub, and intentional insult being hurled at Biden, and it's a reinforcement of the "hold one's nose" and "Lesser of Two-Evils" bullshit.




Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
They're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & let's take back America!!

[thesquanderer]

42. re: "That's a strawman because nobody is making the argument that anyone has such an 'obligation' "

In a sense, the OP makes that argument (or at least raises that question) simply by asking why people have not declared for Biden. Who says we have to? Why make such an assumption that people need to declare for anyone?

re:

It "frees someone" to openly snub our party's choice is what it does.

Not "openly" if it's done in a secret ballot, which is what we do in this country. Not a "snub" to put forth someone else's agenda is the one you'd prefer. (Or a woman, or whatever other statement you feel you'd like to make with your primary vote, when it no longer has any relevance toward actually selecting a candidate.)

re:

Democrats such as myself and others are entitled to name that type of behavior and call it out for what it really is.

You are not the arbiter of what "really is." And unless you're Kreskin, it is very presumptuous for you to tell others what they are thinking.

[NurseJackie]

44. The OP is clearly calling-out the anti-Biden behavior. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not "openly" if it's done in a secret ballot, which is what we do in this country.

Of course it's openly... anyone who makes public proclamations as we've seen here, and anyone who pretends to be "undecided" (as we see here) is giving the middle finger to Joe Biden and the Democratic party.

You are not the arbiter of what "really is." And unless you're Kreskin, it is very presumptuous for you to tell others what they are thinking.

Oh brother! I'm not an idiot... I can see exactly what's going on. The big-eyed "who me?" act that people like to play when being called-out on their snub of Biden isn't fooling anyone. One doesn't need to be The Amazing Kreskin in order to discern such blatant behavior.

[thesquanderer]

47. re: "The OP is clearly calling-out the anti-Biden behavior. Nothing more, nothing less."

As I see it, what he is asking is, "with only one candidate remaining, how can anyone around here still be 'Undecided' ?" You are ascribing a particular motivation to the question, whereas it could also simply be taken at face value. But either way, my answers would be the same.

re"

Of course it's openly... anyone who makes public proclamations as we've seen here, and anyone who pretends to be "undecided" (as we see here) is giving the middle finger to Joe Biden and the Democratic party.

I meant it's not openly when it is done in the poll booth. (That's what I was talking about when I said "frees someone to simply make known who they would truly prefer in an ideal world" -- I meant at the poll booth. Sorry if that was not clear.)

As for displays of support on DU, it is currently not possible to display support (in the manner discussed in the OP) for any candidate other than Biden. Yes, someone could create a public proclamation as you say, but that's not what the OP here was talking about, nor what I was talking about. The only display option here (as discussed in the OP) is to choose Biden or to leave it at undecided. The latter of which is not necessarily a middle finger to Biden. It can be respecting the time honored tradition of keeping one's vote to oneself (again, no one is obligated to make this info public). It could be that you choose to vote for someone else to make your enthusiasm for that person known in a way that won't interfere with Biden's nomination (which does not necessarily equate to a knock on Biden). Or maybe you honestly have not yet decided whether you will choose to do that or vote for Biden. It could also be that you ALREADY voted for someone else in your primary. Or it could be that you just didn't think that changing your icon was important enough to bother with. Whatever. I think you're seeing middle fingers where they are not intended. Some may be dissing Biden, but there are so many other possibilities!

Here's a real world example of a similar thought process. After the last Biden-Sanders debate, my significant other said she didn't particularly care for either of them, and didn't care which of them won (though of course whoever it was, she would vote for him in November), so she said she'd still vote for Warren if she were on the ballot. You may not like it, but being a Democrat doesn't mean you sign up to be part of a mindless cult who all must think in lock-step with everyone else. She's allowed to have a mind of her own, and decide how she would personally like to express her Democratic ideals. Whatever she chooses to do, nothing she will do will help Trump in any way.

Personally, I saw pros and cons to both Biden and Sanders, and explained why I settled on Biden in the post referenced earlier... and for the reasons expressed there, I was committed to voting for Biden as long as there was any chance it could be a real contest. The funny thing is, I had given this no further thought since Sanders suspended, and had not even considered the possibility of not voting for Biden until this thread stirred me to think about whether or not that was still what I wanted to do, once it was certain that Biden would be the nominee regardless. So ironically, now I'm not sure how I'll vote! But I have plenty of time to decide about that. Actually, if I were to take the caption literally, "If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for:"... my honest answer would be I wouldn't vote. I already know Biden will be the nominee, and I would just stay home, since I am part of an "at risk" group, and don't need to take an iota of risk to merely make a statement, regardless of what that statement were to be. But we'll see when the time comes. (I also don't yet know whether there is any other race or referendum on my ballot that day.)

[flying rabbit]

51. No I will vote for him whole heartedly

Never really had a solid choice. Wondering why people are even worried about this. The forum will be shut down soon any way.

[FoxNewsSucks]

52. Aww!

Stop it.

Enough badgering.

The "D" logo is the logo of the Democratic party. Meaning, we will vote for the Democratic nominee over the orange piece of shit now occupying the White House.

Last I checked, MF45 wasn't running in the Democratic primaries. So the fact that someone else was preferred over Biden isn't an indication that posters here would vote for MF45. Just that Biden wasn't thought to be a first or best choice to beat MF45. Because that's the goal, and a lot of us think that candidates other than Biden would have a better chance of ousting MF45.

Just because someone doesn't personally see it that way doesn't mean that everyone else has to change to suit them. As another poster commented, it's like a bumper sticker. I won't put a Biden sticker on my car, but I damn well will keep the two anti-republicon and anti-tRump stickers on it.

The uncessant badgering doesn't help Biden. Quite the opposite, in fact.

[emmaverybo]

55. Thanks for telling it like it is!

[Devil Child]

7. As long as "undecided" is an option I will continue to select it

[George II]

8. That's an indicating that you may not vote for Biden, true?

[Devil Child]

9. It's an indication I'm not going to affix a Biden bumpersticker to my DU profile

[NurseJackie]

10. It's clearly a snub of our party's nominee that looks a lot like pouting.

It's clearly a snub of our party's nominee that looks a lot like pouting. You know perfectly well that I wasn't born yesterday. I'm not stupid, you know. Everyone knows exactly with it means.

Look... all I'm saying here is that we're all adults here and there has been plenty of time for people to get over the "shock" and disappointment that their preferred candidate did not win (or did not go further). The time for grieving is over. This is politics, not the loss of a loved one. The time for unity is now. The time full-throated and enthusiastic and unbridled support of Joe Biden is now. Joe Biden is our party's nominee. Trump is the enemy who must be defeated. We cannot afford the luxury of lukewarm "support" nor can we afford the negative attitudes of "holding one's nose" or "lesser of two evils" bullshit.

It's time to get with the program.



Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
They're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & let's take back America!!

[Devil Child]

12. I appreciate the passionate reply NurseJackie

If displaying undecided is perceived as a snub or pouting round here by some then so be it. Biden does not generate enthusiasm in me so outside of casting my vote in November that’s about all I can produce. I’ll leave the cheerleading to those like yourself who possess genuine and sincere enthusiasm for the presumptive nominee.

[la-trucker]

15. "enthusiasm" is a media created attribute

It is used by a very loud and vocal minority to bludgeon a quiet majority.

It is a binary choice like being pregnant or being on a boat.

You may not be flying first class on the Biden jet while sipping champagne and eating canapes. You may be sitting in coach, in a middle seat eating a small bag of pretzels -- but you have the same destination and you'll get there at the same time with or without enthusiasm.

So perhaps it is time to not complain about the lack of leg room and enjoy the flight?

[Beartracks]

54. OMG, thank you for this post. n/t

[Demsrule86]

22. Charming... (not). I would have enthusiastically switched to

Sanders and worked my ass off to elect him...Trump must go... I am seriously sickened by such an attitude. And if Trump were to win some need only look in the mirror and see part of the reason why.

[TwilightZone]

13. Ignore it.

Some are doing it as a protest.

Some probably don't realize that it's changed automatically by the system.

Some are doing it to be divisive, and it often works. Those posters should be ignored at this point.

[la-trucker]

14. lol

Should be a question for the people who manage the IT of the site

[nykym]

16. Because mostof us

will vote for whatever has a D after it's name.
Therefore we are decided.

[MineralMan]

17. I don't see any method for changing one's preference at this point.

Previously, I believe, when a candidate dropped out and was dropped from the list of choices people could make, their preference was automatically changed to undecided.

Perhaps that also took place when only Joe Biden was left, changing all those who had selected Sanders to Undecided.

However, I see no way to change that to Joe Biden now.

Perhaps those of us who selected Biden earlier are left with his face in our posts to indicate that we supported him all along or earlier than the ones now displaying an Undecided box.

I'm not sure, though, what the reasoning was. I'm just glad that the situation has changed and that JOE BIDEN IS THE PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE! All the rest is irrelevant.

[FoxNewsSucks]

50. The avatar is the D in a circle,

which is the avatar of the Democratic party. Meaning, we'll certainly vote for the Democratic candidate over the ghoulish mango piece of shit on the Republicon ticket.

Biden is not our first choice of Democrats, but we'll still vote for him. So the gloating and badgering by other Biden supporters should stop.

It doesn't help.

[Dem4Life1102]

18. Because I may still vote for Sanders in the NY primary

Not because I think that he has any chance at the nomination but because I like his policies and the more delegates he has going into the convention the more leverage he will have to influence the party platform.

[onenote]

45. Leverage? Let me ask you a question

If Sanders had won the nomination, would you have taken the position that the level of support won by Biden and other candidates should influence the platform?

Or, if Sanders had gotten the nomination and won the election with 52 percent of the popular and electoral college support, would you accept the proposition that Sanders should be strongly influenced by Trump's policies based on his level of support?

Of course you wouldn't.

[Dem4Life1102]

46. Yes about Biden

No about Trump.

[Celerity]

19. Many DU posters refuse to come into this forum. So they never

feel the need to make a choice of one particular candidate. I am sure 99% of them will vote for Joe in November, just as they would have voted for any other nominee.

[KitSileya]

20. For some, the choice between VP BIden and a Nazi

is a no-brainer, regardless of whom we supported in the primary (former KHiver, here ) For others, not so much. They need to be "wooed," as twitter's resident Crooker T. Washington, Shaun King tweeted yesterday. According to him, VP Biden must "earn" their votes.


Me? I've read my history. I know Hitler gained power because the far-left figured he'd "bring on the revolution" by crushing their mortal enemies, the moderate left, and I want none of it.

[NutmegYankee]

21. I never bothered to select a candidate.

I’m voting D no matter who got the nomination, so I never cared to get into it in the primaries forum.

[mikelgb]

23. When they remove choices at the top, it automagically sets you to undecided

people just have not switched

[Loge23]

30. This is why. It's a default.

Most of us haven't changed our original preference yet.
Once the candidate,other than Joe, drops out - it becomes Undecided.
I just changed mine - of course I will vote for Joe.

[Sympthsical]

25. Because some people don't care that deeply about their internet flair

I seriously cannot be bothered about it. It’s probably going away soon anyway.

We’re in the middle of a historic pandemic. “Why isn’t your internet graphic what I want it to be?!!!!” isn’t even in my top 100 list of concerns.

Eesh. Priorities.

[Don1]

40. hah, internet flair

[ProudMNDemocrat]

26. I was with Joe all the way from the beginning....

Despite the deep bench because he had the best chance to earn the nomination.

[lapucelle]

27. Well, at least it's not as bad a cockroach crawling across the page.

[polmaven]

28. Blue, no matter who!

[moriah]

31. I never changed it when my candidate dropped out, becacuse I had already voted in a primary.

Since at that point, after casting my vote, I went into "blue no matter who" mode, I figured the big blue D was quite appropriate under my posts.

And besides, if it's supposed to be internal polling vs some kind of "loyalty test", at this point the question is as moot for everyone as it was for me on March 4th.

[hurl]

33. Same here

Once my primary vote was cast, my decision became moot. Of course I will vote for our nominee regardless. At this point, my attention is better spent down-ballot, where I still have some decisions to make in runoffs.

[pattyloutwo]

32. When my candidate dropped out -

Warren - it was clear Biden was going to be the nominee and it seemed like that part of the process - debating who’s the best candidate - was over. I support Biden!

[ExciteBike66]

34. The real question is "With only one candidate, why do we still have the candidate pics in our sigs?"

[Kitchari]

35. It's only been one day

Some people perhaps need time to process their disappointment. When Warren dropped out, it took me a couple of days to shift gears and support Biden.

[Zambero]

36. Time for an update on realistic candidate choices

Joe Biden, Donald Trump, or "Undecided"

[democrattotheend]

37. I was for Warren, but the site changed it automatically when she dropped out

I still plan on voting for her if my state is ever able to hold its primary and she's still on the ballot, because now that the race is over I see no harm in voting for the person I really wanted to vote for. Obviously, I'm going to vote for Biden in November.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

38. Because most of us will be voting for the nominee.

We don't have to be enthusiastic supporters. Either the forum should be shut down, or should be resetting everyone's preference to a simple D.

[jimfields33]

39. We're aware. I figured they'd get rid of it.

No use changing when only one left in the primary.

[quickesst]

41. I don't know....

There are now only two people running for president. Joe Biden, and that orange piece of shit occupying the White House. Last time I checked the math, that was a total of two.

[comradebillyboy]

43. For all intents and purposes Sanders is still trying

to compete for votes and delegate in the remaining primaries while his surrogates continue to undercut the presumptive nominee. He's just moved to a form of guerrilla warfare. But he's still running.

[JCMach1]

48. I will vote for the nominee... Last time I checked,

Hasn't happened yet...

[Meowmee]

49. I have supported Biden for a long time

I did not want to make it known because who knows who is reading this forum and whatnthye may do with the info.