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[dawg day]

1. I think I'm voting for a potential three-four terms of Democrats.

We need 12 years to un-do the damage, and this could actually happen-- Biden chooses an effective and impressive vice president, who can run and win in the future.

[LaurenOlimina]

3. I decided to NEVER vote GOP after torture became their jam.

Before that, I could imagine voting for one though I never did. I could understand why people voted mixed ticket. Now. No fucking way, EVER. No GOP.

[bearsfootball516]

2. Meh?

His policies are more progressive than any other Democratic nominee we've seen.

[LaurenOlimina]

4. Meh

There are reasons people supported other candidates. Respect it. We are trying to come together now and will apparently be risking our lives to do it.

I'm looking for reasons to vote Joe. Getting rid of Trump is the best one.

[janterry]

10. I'm not sure this is the place to find that kind of

support - or interest in coalescing (at least not in that kind of way).

I fully hear where you are coming from, though

[HarlanPepper]

16. And there are reasons Biden is the nominee

Because more people supported him than the other candidates, including Bernie. How about a little respect for THEIR CHOICE, for once.

[LostOne4Ever]

18. Cause they already got their way?

Seriously, we don't need to rally those who get to vote for their first choice...

[HarlanPepper]

19. I'd argue we don't need to be wasting time "rallying" intractable ideologues either

And my point stands. The choice of the majority should be respected.

[The Magistrate]

26. That Is Democracy, Sir

"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[thegoose]

5. Damn right

Joe's not "meh." He's got the experience and brains to right the ship.

[CatMor]

9. I agree with you ...

Biden is not meh he is a experienced get the job done person. He is capable of getting our country back on the right track. I somewhat resent him being called meh.

[HarlanPepper]

12. It's sort of surreal

People can look around at what’s happening, the bodies piling up and lives broken physically and economically, and yet still have these sanctimony eruptions and feel like they need to be coaxed, or have their hands held, all the way to the polls.

[LaurenOlimina]

47. That's called politics...

[Sloumeau]

68. I know, it's like...

"I really know we should replace Hilter with this new guy, but he's just so meh".

[Polybius]

25. He's certainly more progressive than Hillary

I suppose you can argue Obama and Kerry, but just for the hell of it, I'll give you that. Certainly more progressive than Bill Clinton. Not more than Dukakis and Mondale though. More than Carter for sure. I'll stop there, since I wasn't born for any other presidential elections.

[flor-de-jasmim]

6. I believe he will rise to the occasion. (I voted for Liz in the primary.)

[LaurenOlimina]

7. He has to. No choice but to rise up.

That goes for all of us.

[peggysue2]

21. Absolutely true!

I supported Joe Biden through the primary. I do think he'll rise to the moment. But if another of our candidates had been chosen, I was more than ready to 'rise to the occasion' and vote for that individual.

Because Trump. Because we cannot survive any more of this chaos, destruction and pure evilness.

May we all rise together to save the country. And each other.

[msongs]

8. well most people can vote absentee and stay at home. meh indeed nt

[LaurenOlimina]

11. I hope so.

[nsd]

13. Gee .. what a wonderful endorsement /s

Maybe next time, you decide just not to post at all.

[LakeArenal]

14. Exactly. Very uniting.

Always want to work with folks that are “meh”. (Not)

Attitude matters.

[LaurenOlimina]

49. And I wish I was voting for a candidate without so many exploitable deficits.

...yet here we are.

You realize a LOT of people are trying to find a way to support Biden? You realize we want their votes?

Maybe not. Perhaps you shouldn't post at all. You post isn't very uniting.

[Hortensis]

15. Actually, I think it's time for those to belatedly learn who Joe is.

No need to "risk your life" for a "meh" candidate when you can sensibly take a stand for someone who you have a well-founded belief will do a good job, if not the one you would have wished for in an ideal world. To have good government, you must first elect good people. The rest is details.

Biden is a good, honorable, honest man.

As for that "risk your life," come on. That's for old folks like me, and strictly for those too afraid to even do a monthly shopping. Bless their hearts, no doubt we do have some heroes among them taking a stand anyway on their election days.

“If we fail to vote, we don’t count. .... I just hope that, in spite of whatever is going on now, that people will not be afraid to come out and vote. We have to vote.” Genuine hero, no delusions, Congressman John Lewis

[HarlanPepper]

17. Some folks need to be dazzled apparently

The only thing I give a fuck about right now is beating Trump.

[Hortensis]

36. Hear, hear! AND the appallingly functional Republican traitors.

[TexasTowelie]

20. .

[wyldwolf]

22. Apparently the majority of the voting Democratic electorate disagrees with your "meh" description.

[Gothmog]

23. I am very excited about Joe Biden

I was a day one donor to Biden and maxed out to him back in October. I have met Joe at two separate fund raisers and he is the real deal.

As someone who is working hard to turn Texas blue, I am glad that Joe is the nominee. After 2010 election, there were 101 republicans in the Texas state house compared to 49 Democrats. We are 9 seats away from flipping control of the Texas house. We flipped two congressional seats and there are 7 seats being targeted by the DCCC. We have a chance of voting Cornyn out if MJ Hegar is the nominee. If Warren or sanders was the nominee on the top of ticket, all down ballot candidates in Texas would be lost causes. With Joe on the top of the Ticket, Texas will be a battleground state.

[George II]

24. Are you serious?

[LaurenOlimina]

43. Yes. It's time for everyone disappointed in Biden to give him their support.

[NoMoreRepugs]

27. Too tired to dig deep but I'm guessing most of the "meh"

bullshit is coming from Sanders supporters. I get it, but if you don’t see what’s at stake I’m not so sure u are as attuned to reality as you meh’s think u are.

[LaurenOlimina]

45. I know nobody who is enthusiastic for Biden.

My circle are all college educated, mostly in engineering, statistics and medicine, say 22 people. Biden was nobody's first choice.

I'm telling them to drop the specific criticisms of Biden and get behind him.

[MyOwnPeace]

53. Lauren.......

You are yelling from both sides of the fence! No matter how much you are claiming that you can/will support Joe, "MEH!" is never a word that would be used to show such support.
And yet you are "telling them to drop criticisms" and get behind him?
Ohhhhh, w o w, I b e t y o u w o u l d be a b a l l o f f i r e a t a r a l l y . . .

[LaurenOlimina]

56. Meh seems to be the consensus in my circle.

I've only seen a hand full of never-Biden people.

Most are simply unenthusiastic.

I'm willing to risk my life for Meh. I won't pretend it's not Meh.

[tirebiter]

28. WE have risen to the occasion.

Rank and file chose this path. First in South Carolina, then we finalized the thing in Michigan, really. Joe has the trust and support across racial and class lines

[NBachers]

29. Damning with vapor-praise. Will world leaders greet Biden with 'meh' when they all gather together?

[Aquaria]

30. Oh good grief

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

I’m not voting for Biden because he’s exciting. I’m excited about voting for him because he’s NOT exciting. I like him because he’s steady and dependable!

I want a ”boring,” dependable candidate who says what he means, and means what he says, and doesn’t need a murder of howler monkeys to gaslight us into believing what he “really” said--which is nothing like what came out of his mouth.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate whose word today is good tomorrow—or even five minutes from now.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who will be where he’s supposed to be and do the job he’s hired to do.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who I can count on to do the right thing for ALL Americans, and doesn’t expect to have his ass kissed for it.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who understands our constitution and how our government works—and respects the people who make our government function.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who is humble enough to admit he doesn’t know everything, but that he respects experts and their expertise enough to seek AND heed their advice.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who will have a staff and cabinet that are not only eminently qualified for their positions, but also will stick around longer than the shelf life of raw fish.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who knows that the worst way to keep our country safe is to alienate our allies and kowtow to monsters.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who doesn’t think he’s above the law.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who doesn’t attack his own citizens if they disagree with him or don’t praise him enough.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who won’t treat our press with contempt when they report the truth, even if that truth is detrimental to him.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who isn’t constantly stirring up chaos and hate and drama.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate I can count on to do all of these things so that I can focus on living my life, and can even, you know, forget about politics sometimes, because I know the guy in charge will be doing his damned job.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who will let me sleep at night without worrying that he’ll blow up the government or even the world if he’s not watched constantly.

And that is why I support Biden. Because he will be that “boring,” dependable guy who gets shit done without a bunch of drama. I’m sick to death of excitement and drama.

[nolawarlock]

31. OMG THIS!!! n/t

[The Magistrate]

32. Well Said, Ma'am

"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[True Blue American]

33. Thank you,

thank you, thank you,Aquaria! You just posted exactly how I have felt since the day Trump was selected by the EC.

I want to spend my later years admiring a man who can get things done ,work with others. Does not have a belittling bone in his body and will make our Country respected again!

I do not care diddly squat if he makes a verbal mistake now and then,as long as I can trust him!

I certainly do not want a one trick pony who can not graciously lose, endorse his opponant as every one of our great candidates did. For sure I do not want a so called revolution led by those who can only see FREE! Before their nose. Nor do wantt a narcisstic self centered wantabe mobster in my WhiteHouse!

[treestar]

34. Great post!

[oasis]

40. + 1,000,000

[LaurenOlimina]

57. Yes!

[Sloumeau]

63. Exactly. I long for the day where I can forget about politics for a month...

and I don't have to worry that some pandemic is going to kill me in the meantime because the idiot in the White House was too busy watching Fox News to get off his ass, walk down the hall, and tell his cabinet to do whatever it takes to fix the problem. You know, like Obama did, and Clinton did, and Carter did, and JFK did, and Truman Did, and FDR did.

LBJ kinda took a big wrong turn there, so he doesn't get full credit.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

83. +100. N/t

[treestar]

35. Geez, Obama was at least inaugurated before

this disappointment shit started.

[LaurenOlimina]

42. I've never found Biden compelling.

But it is no longer the time to discuss it.

[NurseJackie]

48. Compared to what, or to whom? ...

Compared to what, or to whom?

That's a very vague criticism that could mean anything. In what specific area do you find Joe Biden to not be "compelling" enough for you?

What would he need to do in order to become more "compelling" for you to feel better about voting for him?

[LaurenOlimina]

50. It's no longer time for specifics. Primary is over.

[NurseJackie]

51. You're the one complaining, not me.

If you truly believe that the "primary is over"... then you'd also throttle-back on the backhanded smears and the passive-aggressive swipes and other assorted cheap-shots (ie: "meh" and "not compelling" and "exploitable deficits" and "disappointing" and "nobody I know supports him") those things are wrong, and wrong-headed.

All I'm saying (and I'm being perfectly honest with you here) all that whining and griping and swiping and flat-out negativity certainly does NOT sound like someone who has accepted that the "primary is over".

[LaurenOlimina]

54. Why are you so negative? I'm wrong and wrong-headed for KNOWING who I know?

Anything specific is exploitable now.

Any specific criticism is now a potential right-wing attack.

I'm trying to encourage those who find him disappointing to vote for him.

I won't post anti-biden specifics any more.

How can you say, " "nobody I know supports him&quot those things are wrong, and wrong-headed." WTF Jackie? It is wrong and wrong headed to comment on the people I KNOW?!?!? Or is it wrong that I'm friends with them?!?! I'm sorry, they are getting messages about Joe being a rapist, the democrats thwarting the relief bill, and other bullshit. That Bernie-sphere is full of Russian disinfo and rightwing disinfo. That's what I'm fighting. Those people will not read a "rah! Rah! Joe message." You don't have to coddle them, but get out of the way of those of us who are.

I'm sorry you live in a bubble where there is universal support for him. I do not. My circle is pretty left-wing. I need to reach out to potential NEW Biden voters now. I know people who won't vote at all because, "Both sides are the same." I know Bernie Supporters and Pete supporters and Amy supporters and Warren supporters who all find Biden problematic. I doubt we are alone. I see people on here who are looking for reasons to support him, well, we are finally down to what I am told is Biden's #1 strength, He is not Trump.

People had better prepare themselves to pull that lever. It is life or death.

[NurseJackie]

58. I'm not the one being negative.

Why are you so negative? I'm wrong and wrong-headed for KNOWING who I know?

I'm not the one being negative. I'm not the one who's boasting about knowing absolutely nobody who supports Biden. Clearly this tidbit of info from you is being offered-up as some sort of justification for the continued negativity and cheap-shots.

Anything specific is exploitable now. Any specific criticism is now a potential right-wing attack. I'm trying to encourage those who find him disappointing to vote for him.

Oh, please! GMAFB! I'm not stupid you know.

I won't post anti-biden specifics any more.

All of these things are just "clever" ways to make nonspecific references to whatever negatives you believe he has and continually refer to all the other assorted smears and accusations. Everyone can see that it's an effort to keep them at the forefront, and to remind others of them as well.

All I'm saying here is this: You don't have to be specific... the "hints" and "winks" are good enough. Everyone knows what you're talking about. This is a dangerous game. Caution... thin-ice ahead.

[LaurenOlimina]

59. Obviously, you have no idea.

[NurseJackie]

60. I know much more than I'm being given credit for...

Obviously, you have no idea.

I know much more than I'm being given credit for... I can assure you of that. I also see much more. I'm not easily fooled.

[LaurenOlimina]

61. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

You are fooling yourself...

...into thinking, what, I have imaginary friends?

[NurseJackie]

62. No, "Lauren"... I believe your friends are real

No, "Lauren"... I believe your friends are real, and I believe that "nobody you know" supports Biden. That much is true. I'll take you at your word on that. It's clear to me that you're telling the truth about that detail.

It's also clear to me that the reasons for publicly announcing that "nobody you know" supports Biden is to feed (and create) a narrative that Biden isn't likeable, and that his support is tepid and fractured. It's a passive-aggressive smear. It's negative, and it's not necessary.

You know perfectly well that things like that serve no good purpose. It only creates an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.



Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
They're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & let's take back America!!


You'll feel better in the Autumn...

[LaurenOlimina]

64. Ha ha ha ha ha

"publicly announcing that "nobody you know" supports Biden is to feed (and create) a narrative that Biden isn't likeable, and that his support is tepid and fractured. It's a passive-aggressive smear."

Apparently, my whole life is a passive aggressive smear aimed right at you Jackie.

If my mistake is "publicly announcing" my disappointment, I think you just want anyone who disagrees with you to shut up. You aren't against our disappointment, you just don't want to hear about it.

Meanwhile, you will notice that other folks have taken to post in the spirit it is intended, not developed an obsession with belittling the author's experiences.

Maybe things would be better if you didn't publicly announce such feelings? It leads to the impression that Biden supporters are self important, superior, and unwelcoming to those of us with doubts.

[NurseJackie]

66. You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing.

Apparently, my whole life is a passive aggressive smear aimed right at you Jackie.

You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing. You're not aiming anything at me... only Biden.

If my mistake is "publicly announcing" my disappointment, I think you just want anyone who disagrees with you to shut up. You aren't against our disappointment, you just don't want to hear about it.

What I'm seeing is clearly an indication of an inability or unwillingness to move on. The repeated expressions of "disappointment" (and the efforts prove that you're not alone in these feelings of woe) are nothing but negativity.

You aren't against our disappointment, you just don't want to hear about it.

Yes, we all know that you're going to "hold your nose" to vote for Biden because he's the "lesser of two evils"... got it! Understood. But you need to know that saying things like that serves no good purpose. It motivates nobody. It just feeds into and validates the negativity of others who can't accept that their candidate didn't win.

All I'm trying to point out to you is (once again) those passive-aggressive attacks and other cheap-shots only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[LaurenOlimina]

70. Lots of people are going to do that.

Hold their nose and vote. I'm going to risk my life to do it if I have to. I'll be there with bells on.

"You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing."

Right, you said SPEAKING of it was passive aggressive. As long as I live my life in silence and don't empower the Republicans by mentioning the (obvious in my world) apathy for Biden and encouraging the apathetic to vote for him, you are fine with it.

Silence peon. Hush uppity little voice who doesn't think like me. Your message is clear.

Meanwhile, I glance at Twitter and see they have weaponized more of Biden's behavior to suppress the vote.

The reality is, we need a plan for shifting voters from apathy to engagement. It seems like the "we don't need them" argument for apathetic voters is counter productive. Silencing them would seem to imply they are unwanted. I tend toward a much bigger tent.

[NurseJackie]

71. This kind of negativity serves no good purpose.

The reality is, we need a plan for shifting voters from apathy to engagement.

And validating their negativity with even MORE negativity and cheap-shots aimed at Biden will only REINFORCE those perceptions. You're really not helping with so much indulgent talk about "meh" and "he's just not compelling". Time to move on and end the pity party. The time for grieving is over. The time for anger is over. The time for disappointment is over. We've all known for quite some time now that Biden had won and that everyone else had lost. Move on.

Here's a song from "Bye Bye Birdie" that may help...

[LaurenOlimina]

74. seems deranged but ok

[NurseJackie]

76. I haven't insulted you with name-calling. Why do that to me, "Lauren"?

I haven't insulted you with name-calling. Why do that to me, "Lauren"? I'm not mad or insane... I do not deserve to be called deranged. Why would you do that?

[LaurenOlimina]

84. And here come the protestations...

Sorry, It seems deranged to me to put on a happy face, joker-like, and ignore the reality of one's own community and feelings. You called me passive-agressive, immature, and said I shouldn't comment on my friends views of Biden because it promotes negativity. That's just so far today. Then you say:

"Time to move on and end the pity party. The time for grieving is over. The time for anger is over. The time for disappointment is over. We've all known for quite some time now that Biden had won and that everyone else had lost. Move on.

Here's a song from "Bye Bye Birdie" that may help..."

This is after what, 20 messages from you today. Talk about not letting go. I'm sorry, thinking you can just tell someone "put on a happy face" and shut-up and ignore their feelings is pretty crazy, don't you think?

I'm willing to risk my life for meh. Let that be enough.

[NurseJackie]

87. I did no such thing.

I referred only to the nature of the comments and insults.

and ignore the reality of one's own community and feelings.

The future of our country is more important than someone's "feelings" of disappointment. There's no justification for the cheap-shots that are clearly intended to suppress the vote and kneecap Biden. People who do such things should always be challenged and called out. That type of behavior is unacceptable. It's selfish and destructive.

[George II]

65. Hope everyone gets their negative vibes about Biden out of their system now, so when Autumn comes...

....we're all united behind him.

[NurseJackie]

67. Today is a cool, damp and windy day in Maryland... it feels like Autumn is already here!

Yuk!

[TexasTowelie]

69. Why wait that long?

[Jedi Guy]

73. "But it is no longer the time to discuss it."

So you create a thread about how you find Biden to be "meh" and "not compelling" on a discussion board in order to... not... discuss it? You started such a discussion but now isn't the time for such discussions?

Do you realize that what you're saying makes absolutely zero sense? Methinks your motives are suspect here.

[LaurenOlimina]

75. No, she asked for specifics.

They can be weaponized.

[NurseJackie]

77. Oh, come off it! Everyone knows what you're talking about.

You don't want to be specific in the negative smears and cheap-shots against Biden... so you think it's "safer" to continually allude to them with some sort of passive-aggressive backhanded ambiguous references? Honestly, nobody is fooled. We can see this for the indulgent negativity that it is. It's not helping anything. It's just another roundabout way to try and kneecap Biden.

Honestly, it needs to stop. Being passive-aggressive with the smears and attacks on Biden may help someone personally with their grieving process, but there's really no need for it. It's divisive and continually projecting that kind of negativity only creates resentment and suspicion.

People who continually proclaim "the primaries are over" should act like it. That's all I'm trying to say. They can't have it both ways.

[LaurenOlimina]

78. Yes, it is safer not to mention them.

"Honestly, it needs to stop. Being passive-aggressive with the smears and attacks on Biden may help someone personally with their grieving process, but there's really no need for it. It's divisive and continually projecting that kind of negativity only creates resentment and suspicion."

Now if we don't show lockstep adoration, you are the thought police Jackie?

[NurseJackie]

79. I think it's important for everyone to show maturity and good judgement.

I think it's important for everyone to show maturity and good judgement. People who engage in backhanded smears and passive-aggressive cheap-shot attacks against Biden demonstrate NEITHER of those things.

[LaurenOlimina]

80. Ah... OK

Noted. I fail the NurseJackie maturity test. I'll live.

[NurseJackie]

81. So you finally admit to taking cheap-shots at our party's nominee? Thank you.

It's so unnecessary and it serves no good purpose at all. Why do it?

[green88]

37. Biden wasn't my top choice, but compared to Trump, "meh" is a dream.

[Sloumeau]

72. I know. G.W. Bush was terrible, but compared to Trump...

he almost seems tolerable. Compared to Trump, Biden seems to me like a really great music festival. Biden is Lollapalooza to Trump's dolla-to-bamboozle-ya.

[Gothmog]

38. Joe is the best candidate to beat trump

Link to tweet

[Sophia_Of_PlanetX]

39. I can't believe there are "Bernie or Bust" people out there who call themselves Progressives.

You may not get your ideal candidate, but your pledge to not vote Biden is putting peoples' lives, including mine, in jeopardy. Would you rather have a centrist or a proto-Fascist who is taking a sledge hammer to every watchdog and institution left to hold government officials accountable? Would you rather have:

- Someone who is somewhat corporate friendly, or someone who believes that the entire purpose of the government should be to serve / enrich him and his cronies?

- Someone who isn't totally on your side in terms of immigration, or someone who is one step away from committing genocide against Hispanic people?

- Someone who you think isn't going to do enough for the black community, or someone who was/is openly hostile to them and shrugs his shoulders when black people die? Do you want someone who wants to help the black community and minorities, or someone whose father attended Klan rallies?

- Someone who isn't revolutionary on LGBT issues, or someone who is trying to erase the existence of trans people from the US, and is a couple steps from throwing them into cattle cars?

- Someone who may have had some issues in the past, or someone who nobody would be surprised if he instantly nullified all gay marriages and demanded an amendment to define marriage as between a man or a woman?

- Someone who supports the separation of church and state, or someone who wants to completely dismantle it to appease Christo-Fascists in middle America?

- A President, or someone who wants to be a king?

- Knowledgeable government officials who deserve to be in their positions, or a den of vipers scrambling to obfuscate their incompetence through propaganda and blaming the "deep state?"

The list goes on. If you are against voting for Biden, and feel like you want to sit out, you are supporting Fascism. It's that simple. You are not proving anything. You are destroying this country by sitting idly by while a cancerous tumor grows in our institutions.

[Gothmog]

41. . @fred_guttenberg : Only Joe Biden has the ability now to heal this nation Opinion

Link to tweet

[IluvPitties]

44. Biden will make you proud.

[LaurenOlimina]

46. Hoping for it.

[RandySF]

52. I'm sorry he's not a rock star.

But I'm frankly tired of celebrity-like candidates.

[Sloumeau]

55. Since Biden apparently leaves the Orange Putz quivering in his boots...

I tend to think of Biden as more than meh...much more.

[zak247]

82. Sulking Bernie bros and sistas

The so-called progressives who are stubbornly willing to allow Trump to have another 4 years, rather than vote for Biden, which will cause millions of people more suffering, are not true progressives but selfish, and morally backward with the psychological and moral level of ISIS members and the Taliban.

They in their inner turmoil and illogic want to punish the democrats because they rejected Bernie. Even though millions of people will suffer if Trump winds again. The utter failure of his Pandemic policy in which he has caused the death of thousands of Americans is another indication of his dangerousness to human beings Yet these people will still out of egotism and sulking allow Trump another 4 years.

This is proof, also, that their progressivism is not based on intentions of humanity and love but a dogmatic, rigid narrowness and spite.

[LaurenOlimina]

85. Yeah, I'm not sure they are in the party anymore.

I can feel them peeling off.

What kills me, is why they can't just see themselves voting against Trump if voting FOR Biden is so painful. Reframe that that as a vote against Trump and get on with your life.