Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumprimary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)With the exception of a few members of the Imperial Japanese Army still holding out in the caves of Saipan....
Mr. Biden is, after all, the only Democrat remaining in the contest.
The Democratic Party should begin now to consider Mr. Biden in all ways its nominee. Its leading figures should speak out for him and begin to campaign and raise funds for him. 'Bernie' should be ignored, and made to run explicitly against the Democratic Party. It is the only way to draw his teeth in regard to the general election, and the best way to minimize the size of his cult following.
If these things are done, postponement of the convention, which does seem indicated by concerns of public health, will make sense politically as well.
"Fortune favors the bold."
"From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DarthDem
(5,359 posts)Even Rep. Ocasio-Cortez appears to be tiring of Sen. Sanders' act. One bright spot is that the longer he carries on his egotistical crusade, the longer he loses credibility and support. As I've said elsewhere, this is not 2016. I love your point that Mr. Biden is the only Democrat remaining in the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)I agree with your comments, regarding how 'Bernie' is busy at destroying whatever shreds of credibility he may have left, and concerning Rep. Ocasio-Cortez. I have thought from her first appearance on the national scene she is a splendid ornament to our Party, and will have, and ought to have, a valuable career in Congress. She has the 'X-factor' in spades.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)And after all, Mr. Biden is the one Democrat remaining in the field....
"From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,454 posts)vis a vis virtual campaigning, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
leftieNanner
(15,677 posts)Bernie? Bow out with grace. Let go and get on board so that we can defeat the monster in DC.
Is there any way to flood his campaign with post cards or emails or something? Asking him to stop?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,630 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
How about bowing out respectfully and supporting Joe Biden?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)The man is like a weekend guest who is still ensconced in the spare bed Wednesday morning, and busily raiding the fridge while complaining of the lack of liverwurst among the lunch meats....
"From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cayugafalls
(5,755 posts)He could have so easily been a unifying force, but that was never his intention. He is as much of a deconstructionist as Trump is...
Stay well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
2naSalit
(92,495 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,889 posts)and BS is a guest of the Democratic party whose wayyyy overstayed his welcome. He now stinks. Time for the DNC to just kick him out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)often tells me things I did not previously know.
Not this time, however.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KayF
(1,345 posts)???
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NoMoreRepugs
(10,499 posts)in the same vein as the Deplorable base giving up on the Orange Menace - not gonna happen. Bernies ego is almost as big as little donnies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(23,775 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cab67
(3,216 posts)As far as they're concerned, Sanders has a broader level of support than Biden. One of them told me that Biden has to "expand his base" to appeal to the majority of progressives. As if Biden's base didn't already encompass nearly all of the Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
As far as they're concerned, Sanders has a broader level of support than Biden.
Lots of people support him (just not enough to actually bother to vote for him).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,196 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)I'm thinking if we all send him $20 to drop out maybe he'll go with the highest bidder.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)Will be interesting to see if BS's donations have plummeted as much as his political fortune did in March or if his mindless minions are still getting mooched.
This was the last one thru the end of February...
Tracking The Money Race Behind The Presidential Campaign
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/16/711812314/tracking-the-money-race-behind-the-presidential-campaign
Bernie outspent Biden more than 3-to-1 in February alone. He didn't get the results but I trust he kept the receipts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)One suspects 'grass-roots' donations will plummet in the present situation.
The old pols used to say "If you can't drink their whiskey and take their money, and still vote against them, you're in the wrong business."
"From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He gets to keep all that money, right? Even when he doesn't win all those donations belong to Bernie and Jane (or whatever remains after paying the salaries), right?
Is that taxable?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)He cannot directly convert funds donated for his campaign to personal use.
He can employ them for future political purposes, to support other candidates, or roll them into a future campaign of his own.
Although careful choice of who provides services to such campaigns, who handles their media work and such like, could direct much of the take into friendly or familial hands. If done too obviously, of course, that is actionable....
"From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)But surely a politician of great consistency and high principles could not be engaged in grifting like a common Palin....
"I am a man of principles, and chief among them is flexibility."
"From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)I also vaguely recall something about that. Think it was some old white guy...waved his arms a lot...mighta been a New Englander if not mistaken. But damned if I can remember his name now.
Sanders and Wife Steered Campaign, Nonprofit Money to Family and Friends
https://freebeacon.com/politics/sanders-and-wife-steered-campaign-nonprofit-money-to-family-and-friends/
Nice gig, if you're related to the right people and can get it. Suddenly not dropping out is starting to make a whole lot more sense. Okay, so I'm a slow learner.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,449 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)It's old news from last summer that some/many of you may have already seen before but it was news to me and I thought the hypocrisy was delicious...
The controversy over Bernie Sanderss low-paid field staffers, explained
A moralist gets a taste of his own medicine.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/20/20700841/bernie-sanders-minimum-wage-staff-pay
Field staff earn $36,000 a year, which would be above minimum wage on a standard workweek, but Sanders field personnel say theyre actually working about 60 hours a week for an hourly wage of $13. Long hours are typical of campaign work (you have a limited span of time in which to win the thing, after all), but these particular positions fall into a kind of legal and sociocultural black hole. The norm in America was that low-status workers would be paid an hourly wage and thus be eligible for overtime pay if they worked long hours. Salaried workers wouldnt necessarily get overtime for pulling long shifts, but salaried work was associated with high-skill, high-status, well-compensated white-collar work.
But capitalism abhors a vacuum, so over time, more and more low-paid workers found themselves in the category of being salaried and ineligible for overtime. The Obama administration tried to tackle this with a Labor Department regulation mandating overtime for anyone earning less than $47,000, but it was challenged in court and the Trump administration elected not to defend the rule, instead writing a new rule that set the threshold at $35,000. At an annual salary just below that threshold, Sanderss field staff would be collecting lots of overtime and thus earning more than $36,000, but instead, their salary was pegged (perhaps not coincidentally) to be just above the exempt threshold.
Apparently a WaPo reporter uncovered the fact that the BS campaign had hired a bunch of people as salaried workers and then paid them $36,000 a year...a lousy grand above the level where they woulda been forced to pay them for the actual overtime they all worked. Soon after they got caught they upped their salaries a bit so that they were getting compensated a little better for actual hours worked...
BERNIE SANDERS SAYS CAMPAIGN STAFF ALL MAKING MORE THAN $15 PER HOUR AFTER NEW UNION DEAL
https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-staff-more-15-per-hour-after-union-deal-1450756
Doesn't take very long for a person who became a millionaire repeating "I am sick and tired of millionaires and billionaires..." ad nauseam to start acting like one himself, does it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)for a candidate to keep campaign donations for personal use.
I don't know what the hell BS coulda spent damn near $46 million on in just one month. Surely he can't be paying that "professional" staff of his that much to make the kinda tweets they've been spewing out lately?
Bernie coulda hired a bunch of immature juvenile junior-high schoolers to make them for mere vape money and gotten the same quality.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Walleye
(35,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)Poor Vlad must be down to only around $130 billion in total net worth by now.
He may have to scale back a little on his Trump campaign contributions during the general election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I know George II as an online friend, and we share the same opinion on many topics. I guess you could call that a "connection" in some regard, but it's unclear what you're driving at.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)I think the poster was referring to your imitation of a certain DU poster, smiles and all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Thank you for explaining my attempt at humor for me. Much appreciated!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)I can't help but think of this guy now...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Looking forward to it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,584 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)That may have been enough with more candidates in the mix - but as the field shrinks - its not enough to get the nomination or to win an election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
helpisontheway
(5,267 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,202 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)It is over man. Drop out like a gentleman.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr. Ected
(9,686 posts)To the Democratic Party, at least.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,449 posts)and always casts the party as his enemy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LostOne4Ever
(9,592 posts)Then he is an enemy.
But he hasnt and wont ever do that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SKKY
(12,226 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IronLionZion
(46,938 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(15,109 posts)to begin campaigning against Trump and and the disgusting sack of toxic waste and excrement he calls an administration. I get more angry at Trump daily. This would NEVER have happened under Obama, and certainly not under Clinton.
And now Trump is presiding over the biggest fuck-up an American president has ever been guilty of, and it is all on him. All. On. Him.
And where's all those ads from Bloomberg and Steyer anyway?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lonestarblue
(11,745 posts)But he is mathematically out of the race unless he is able to win 65-70% of the remaining delegates. And even then he would need the votes of some superdelegates, the very establishment people he has been bashing. Its too bad the Democratic Convention had to be moved to August because that just gives some of Bernies more rabid, scorched-earth supporters more time to create negative ads about Biden, which we all know Trump will use.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)In the first 30, he only exceeded that number three times - the Nevada caucus, his home state of Vermont, and the Northern Marianas ( )
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(10,810 posts)the capital, letter letter deal? I have seen that elsewhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden