Sanders say there is a path to win the nomination

[Dem4Life1102]

[Laelth]

1. Huh?

I see only one path to Sanders’ winning the nomination, and it requires the untimely passing of Joe Biden—an event for which no sane Democrat hopes.



-Laelth

[catsudon]

68. wow

is that what he's hinting at? horrible...

[smb]

76. Sanders' Path: Through The Looking-Glass Into The Tornado Headed For The Second Star On The Right nt

[The Magistrate]

2. This Has Been Another Episode Of Lame Comments From No One In Particular, Sir

People, especially Sanders' well-meaning supporters, meed to get it through their heads that 'Bernie' campaigns not to gain the Democratic Party's nomination for President, but to weaken if not wreck the 'Democratic Establishment'. For 'Bernie', ousting Trump and ending the Republican majority in the Senate is barely an afterthought to this long-standing purpose. Once Sanders' supporters face this fact squarely, they may be able to decide honestly what their best course in this election is: voting against 'Bernie' in any future primary, and for Mr. Biden and Democrats all down the ticket to the lowest office on the ballot come November.

It is probably true that Sanders sees destroying the 'Democratic Establishment' as an essential precondition to defeating Trump et al, and so by his own lights he means it when he says he will do all he can to defeat Trump. But that belief is so self-serving and delusional it deserves not just scorn but contempt.

As with Trump, the only real cure is to deprive the man of the oxygen of worshipful attention. The effect would be that of a bucket of water on the wicked witch of Oz....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[NJCher]

41. stop ascribing motive

you cannot do that. You cannot get inside Bernie's head. Please, we need some posts that reflect a little of the education that our public schools and universities have given you.

Read up on attribution theory. What you are doing is something that well-educated (or even moderately well educated) people do not do.

Your designation of a motive may tell us more about you than it does about Sanders. If that's the case, I'm sorry you're such a destructive person.

[The Magistrate]

44. Why Do Expect Me To Suspend Use Of My Faculties, Ma'am?

Besides being futile, it has a quite odd note.

'You can't read his mind' is one of the most amusing chants of the flailing debater, who understands just enough to know he or she is on the losing side of the proposition.

Everyone draws conclusions about what another person thinks and intends, from observation of that person's actions, and attention to their words. A few people are such smooth and consummate liars or actors as to be able to maintain a sort of shield over their true mind, but this is a very rare (and very dangerous) quality. It may be dismissed from consideration for ordinary purposes, and there is no reason whatever to suppose Sanders possesses this quality. He would of necessity be a far more supple individual if he did.

'Bernie' has said quite clearly, for years, that he considers the 'Democratic Establishment' the chief obstacle to the advancement of left and progressive causes. He has stated he regards the 'Democratic Establishment' as a hostile force, even within the course of this current campaign. He has stated the two major parties are like tweedledum and tweedledee. He has said explicitly, "I am not, and never have been, a liberal Democrat." It seems only courteous to take him at his word.

Since there is no possibility he will secure the Democratic nomination for President, people must cast about to discern some other reason he continues to campaign nominally for that position. Here we have for guidance his previous behavior, the disruption he superintended at the 2016 convention, and his insistence on securing meaningless changes in the Party platform and rules concerning how the nominee would be chosen in the next campaign, the one we are in the middle of. We have the 'support', lukewarm by the kindest imaginable description, he gave to the Party's nominee in 2016. Together with his known statements, and his long-standing Marxist background (which breaks through in reflexive attempts to defend Castro and Mao, when asked for a simple denunciation of authoritarian regimes), it is clear that 'Bernie' has no interest at all in electoral victory for the Democratic Party, unless he should be its standard bearer, which it is obvious he will not be, and never will be.

'Bernie' runs as a wrecker. His actions assisted this cheap thug Trump in 2016, and can only serve to assist this cheap thug Trump this year as well. When a person persists in actions which can only have one result, others must conclude that the result he achieves is the result he intends, particularly when there has been ample warning of those consequences, and they are so obvious a mere tyro can see their danger at a glance.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

79. So what is his motive?

538 gives him exactly ZERO chance of winning the nomination. His candidacy has been soundly rejected by a significant majority of Democrats, and there is no possibility that would change if additional primaries were held, or that he has enough support to "force" the DNC to adopt his platform or even parts of it. Under these circumstances, is there any rational reason for him not to drop out? Is he just trying to keep raising money to be used in his next Senate campaign, in which he will not even be running as a Democrat (again)? Why? If you don't want people to assume a malign motivation, please provide a rational one that benefits someone besides Bernie.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. Delusional thinking

Just delustional. Bat-sh*t crazyman.

[NJCher]

42. do tell about delustional

is that a phenomena that de-lusts one?

OK, I'm done with thread. Just not worth reading.

[Cha]

67. Good.. because we're talking the Reality here that BS

Lost. he has no mathematical way to the nom.. and he Spent 4x More $$$$ to do it than Joe Biden did to WIN.

[Hortensis]

4. Meanwhile, up on the front lines, VP Biden battles all those

who are determined to destroy our national healthcare system before Democrats can finally complete it.

Link to tweet

[mcar]

50. Biden is presidential

Bernie, sadly, is not. At least not at this time.

[B Stieg]

5. WTF...?

Um...no.

[TwilightZone]

6. He should stop giving his supporters false hope.

It's only making the campaign more divisive and is undermining any good that he might have accomplished.

[George II]

7. Sure there is...

[mcar]

52. That was my first thought!

I don't know how to embed video, photos or gifs here but I would have done this too.

[TexasTowelie]

8. Bernie is in a state of denial.

It's been two weeks since the last set of primaries. After three terrible weeks where he fell behind in the delegate race he is either unable or unwilling to comprehend that he has lost the primaries and will not be the Democratic nominee for president.

[comradebillyboy]

9. Gollum still can't let go of his precious...

[Turin_C3PO]

10. Lol, good one!

[BidenBacker]

11. This is Sanders' lone path to the nomination

if he can successfully pull this off at the DNC convention. There's a slur or two in it so if that kinda thing bothers you don't watch it but it's still a Mel Brooks classic scene. Cleavon Little, Blazing Bernie ain't...

[duforsure]

12. This is just another desperate attempt

To promote BS and propaganda to people , nothing more. His only chance is if Joe dropped out now. Even if he did democrats would have Senator warren back in over his getting the nomination. Bernie has burned too many bridges now to ever get into that position.

[dawg day]

56. And Biden isn't going to drop out. There's a national emergency.

And he knows from experience he can deal with it given the chance. He'll hire experts and LISTEN TO THEM. He'll make decisions based on what's good for the population, not just good for him. He won't play favorites. (I'm contrasting him to Trump, not Sanders, btw.)

This just isn't a time for intra-party wrangling. This is like Dec 10, 1942. All hands on deck, pulling oars in the same direction.

[gibraltar72]

13. Does he think there is gonna be a floor fight?

This is our convention right here right now. There is not going to be a convention. Bernie and his people are like a pebble in my shoe. I'm a lefty but Jesus. This has to stop we need one unified message. After we make Trump stop killing us, then and only then we can have discussions.

[George II]

14. Here is 538s delegate forecast for the remaining delegates - Biden is leading EVERY SINGLE ONE!

Biden will win roughly 2/3 of the remaining delegates - 1040 to 518.8. WHERE IS THE FREAKING ROAD??

[BidenBacker]

16. I dunno, George

Pretty sure Bern can win Alaska if he manages to finagle an endorsement outta Palin.

[George II]

17. Notice that he does best in the whitest states?

[BidenBacker]

25. Good name for the new political party

when his devotees finally splinter off from the Democrats...the Lily-White Anarchists. They may even be able to pull a few of Trump's people over to it.

Bernie beat Hillary 57-43% in Wisconsin back in 2016. Scaling your WI numbers up to 100% Joe's got a 57-43% lead and ol' Bern's on the losing end of the exact same numbers. Wisconsin ain't exactly quite as "lily-white" as a couple of the early primary states he did well in but if he can't take a heavily pale state he easily won last time around that should tell him his prior support has eroded badly.

https://www.governing.com/gov-data/census/state-minority-population-data-estimates.html

WI Demographics

White: 81.2%
Black: 6.3%
Hispanic: 6.9%
Asian: 2.7%
Native: 0.8%

A sane person might think Biden beating Bern like a drum here would be the final nail in BS's coffin but seems Sanders is hellbent on getting creamed and cremated.

[DownriverDem]

19. Where's

Michigan?

[George II]

21. West of Ontario and east of Wisconsin.

[SidDithers]

48. Badum-bum...nt

sid

[karynnj]

33. Polls math and logic are not what is driving him and his supporters at this point

With all primaries (I think) pushed back a month or now from now, they are considering that extraordinary times will lead to major change and they see that as a movement to everything Sanders has spoken of for decades. Personally, the absolute chaos and inability to govern of Trump is more likely to have people move to someone competent and "safe" and comforting - all of which shout out Joe Biden. Nearly every candidate who has dropped out is closer to this than Sanders is.

Looking at past primaries, it is clear that in all years since 1988, with the exception of 2000 and years with an incumbent Democratic president, someone stayed in long after they reasonably could have won. In 1988, Jessie Jackson was in until the end of the primaries. In 1992, Bill Clinton did not actually get the delegates needed until June after a weak start when he lost the first 4 contests, but he was clearly moving there - Jerry Brown was in until the end.

In the DU years, this was even stronger.

In 2004, Kerry was highly unlikely to lose after Iowa, NH and then won 5 of 7 states in this first multi state day. Importantly, these were states that did not favor a New Englander (which is why Dean ignored them to concentrate on the next set). Edwards stayed in, having won only SC until Kerry had so many pledged delegates that he was nearly at the number (which would include superdelegates at the convention) he needed to win. Sanders is FAR stronger than Edwards and Kerry's actual victories even before that SuperTuesday (not potential victories where he was ahead in polls) was stronger than Biden's lead now. Yet there were not hundreds (or any that I remember) suggesting he drop out - even as he was claiming that Kerry's goal to insure everyone was not affordable.

In 2008, the race was incredibly close, but for the last couple of months, Clinton would have needed an Obama mistake to win the election. She was in until the last primary. It was clear that even as she lost, it took time for her and many people supporting her to realize that the dream that many had for decades was over.

In 2016, Sanders was clearly not likely to win. The estimate of how big he would have to win California, where HRC was predicted to have a big, easy win, was daunting. However, he spoke of feeling that as there were people wanting to vote for him there he should continue running. There were calls then for him to drop out. It is interesting that this contrasted with no one demanding Edwards or Dean drop out when Kerry was as further ahead than Clinton was.

I am not surprised at this new spurt of energy by both his team and him. It is often said that a month in politics is an eternity. Throw in that they feel he better fits the turbulent times. The danger in what he is doing is that some on his team are continuing by throwing mud at Biden. It would be great if there is any Democrat who has the ability to get Sanders to disavow this - possibly Senator Leahy. - that someone get him to reject that ugliness. I think Biden, essentially taking on the mantle of the presumptive winner and speaking as the head of the party as the President he could be in January is the best way to win the delayed primaries.

[Blasphemer]

65. Great analysis. Thanks.

Your last paragraph is the key. I remember how long Clinton stayed in in 2008 because that was a pivotal primary for the nation. However, I didn't even remember how long Brown or Edwards stayed in. I don't think I had any reason to care. Democrats who generally respect one another hashing out their differing policy positions in a civil primary fight is perfectly appropriate. I will remember Sanders's prolonged primary battle precisely because his movement is uniquely dangerous in its open and ugly attacks on Democratic leaders. It says a lot that Senator Warren made it a point to call it out after she ended her campaign. Our last two Democratic presidents were dogged by fervent GOP campaigns to undermine them. What the Sanders campaign is doing is going to be mimicked by a vitriolic GOP attempt to undermine the Biden presidency. For me, this is utterly unforgivable.

[machoneman]

15. In-Your-Dreams! Hang it up, Bernie. Stick a fork in him, he's done!

[DownriverDem]

18. Oh please

Go away Bernie. You need help.

[Cha]

66. Yeah, and we aren't going to give it to him.

[RandySF]

20. Yeah

Winning 80% in every remaining state.

[PubliusEnigma]

22. He is as selfish as Donald Trump.

and say what you will about Donald, at least he bases his actions purely on ratings.

Bernie doesn't even do that. He has been wholly rejected by the Democratic Party and, yet, he insists on forcing himself upon us.

[BidenBacker]

30. Hey now, PE

There's a BIG difference between Trump and Sanders.

One's a sadist and the other is a masochist.

[The Magistrate]

45. Actually, Sir, If You Read The Notorious Article In 'Vermont Freeman'

It is hard to escape the conclusion he spent in those days a good deal of time imagining women in bondage. While the imputation of gang-rape fantasies to a typical woman gets the most attention, the article opens with painting a picture of a man who 'goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused." I am pretty solidly in the 'your kink's not my kink but your kink's okay' camp in regard to such things, but that is not an image likely to occur as a header to someone who had no interest himself in 'bondage and discipline', as the phrase was back then. Aside from cover illustrations on the old 'sweats' like 'Man's Adventure' (usually purporting to show Nazi degeneracy), material of the sort his little word picture invokes had to be actively sought out.


https://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8682503/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy

[BidenBacker]

46. Wow, Mag

That is all news to me. I was just joking when I called BS a masochist since it seemed like a good punchline.

But pretty sure everything you wrote falls under the category of TMI !!!

[The Magistrate]

47. The Man Wrote It, Sir

It is hard not to draw conclusions. It is extremely difficult for even the best of writers to describe someone else without engaging in a torrent of self-revelation.

I have an abiding interest in old popular culture, the old pulp magazines and the cheap paperbacks and early television shows. I think they play a great role in shaping the thoughts and views of persons who imbibed them deeply in their youth, though that role is generally unnoticed even by the persons so affected, and is generally considered beneath notice by serious commentators and students of public attitudes. It is astonishing how much of the present political and social attitudes of older men in particular can be found rooted in these 'lowbrow' culture products which were staples of their childhood and youth.

In reference to this, there is a particularly interesting essay of Orwell on the topic which I recommend highly....

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/boys-weeklies/

[BidenBacker]

58. Interesting take you got there

Never thought about it from that angle too much before but what you write seems credible. I called up your link and will go read it shortly.

As for myself, I tend to mostly stick with more "scholarly" works. Years ago I volunteered for Project Gutenberg...helping them to get free old books and stuff online for people to peruse. Folks would scan whatever they thought was interesting (books, periodicals, magazines, articles, etc) into an electronic file and then volunteers would comb over them page by page to eliminate OCR scanning errors or make format changes.

I learned a lot about history from my volunteer work...old books I never woulda picked out to read in a million years. I used to think newer was better but there is something to be said for older works that were written not too long after the Revolutionary period or the Civil War and not a century or two later. There was in particular one biography about Washington that was really interesting...it sure knocked down Jefferson a few notches in my eyes from what I saw on the pages that I personally edited.

There may be some stuff you'd find interesting on that site if you never checked them out before...maybe along the lines of the early types of works that you wrote about...

https://www.gutenberg.org/

[BidenBacker]

61. Here's one I bet Bernie read as a kid

Planet Stories - The Golden Amazons of Venus

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/61694

LMAO...Sanders sex & science fiction.

[The Magistrate]

63. I Have Seen a Few Of Those, Sir

The 'Weird Tales' covers when Mr. Howard's Conan stories were featured might as well have been on 'Spicy Stories' or 'Paris Nights'....

[nini]

60. I agree

Narcissists tend to have similar traits.

[Happy Hoosier]

23. What a load of bullshit.

He would have to win the remaining contests by 25% to clinch the nom, and Biden could LOSE every remaining contest by 10 points and STILL clinch the nom.

The only path to victory for Sanders is in his imagination.

[lark]

28. He knows damn well he won't win, this is just ego and narcissism.

Well ok, there's a lot of dislike and wanting to punish Democrats in there as well

[justhanginon]

24. Sanders is the Democratic parties perennial albatross

around it's neck. Past time for him to go back to Vermont or really anywhere else but the national political scene.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

27. This is his last shot to run for POTUS

It's not gonna happen.

[empedocles]

37. All that matters to BS at his point, his last shot - at anything

[lark]

26. Punishing all Democrats because we won't support him, he's trying to ensure Biden's loss to drumpf.

This is all ego and vanity and dislike for Democrats and our party.

[Hoyt]

29. Path of destruction.

[Indykatie]

31. This Sh*t is Why So Many Dems Hate Bernie

Some of his advocates and supporters are pushing the line that "half the country hasn't even voted yet" to justify his refusal to end his campaign. What a load of bull. Biden will win in the States with large numbers of delegates like NJ, PA and NY by lopsided margins.

[honest.abe]

32. This is dangerous.

His loyal supporters will likely hang on until the bitter end and by then will be so pissed off they will either not vote, vote write-in or bite their tongues and vote Dem but wont work for the nominee or donate. Much like 2016.

We cannot afford this again.

[questionseverything]

78. that all depends on how biden and his supporters act doesn't it?

biden and his supporters can either reach out and include some of what bern voters want or they can post page after page of negative info on why Bernie shouldn't be allowed to campaign

[NanceGreggs]

80. Why are Biden and his supporters ...

... responsible for how BS supporters act?

Are BSers incapable of understanding the difference between Biden and Trump - because that's going to be the choice come November.

Why would Biden and his supporters even want to reach out to people who are just fine with Bernie's campaign spreading doctored videos of Joe, and lies about his having dementia?

Besides, we already have a "pResident" who is too delusional to face reality - we don't want another.

[ehrnst]

82. Ditto for Bernie and his supporters, yes?

Biden has the vast majority of support, yes?

Biden supporters are not responsible for how Sanders and Sanders supporters choose to act.

[honest.abe]

83. That's the problem.. it wont matter what Biden and his supporters do.

Disruptors will disrupt if their hero is not nominated. We saw that in 2016 and will likely see it again in 2020. However this time it probably wont make as much impact.

[Sloumeau]

34. Bernie is still delusional.

I think if Bernie were only winning 10% of the votes in each state he would still be campaigning until the Convention.

[BlueIdaho]

35. Of course

It Does involve pigs flying, hell freezing over, and sacrificing a virgin...

[BidenBacker]

39. Did you forget this contingency

or are you just leaving a little opening for BS?

[BlueIdaho]

40. Oh Damn! I forgot the monkeys!

Thanks for the reminder.

[tirebiter]

59. I was thinking in terms of Westworld. Is this a revolution,

Or just a simulation?
Cease all motor functions, Bernard.

[randr]

36. Not even if Biden drops out Bernie

[beastie boy]

38. Sandes says there is a path, and then... he stops. He is mum about what that path is.

Must be a secret he wants to keep to himself. Or, perhaps, he is fully aware there is no path, but he refuses to acknowledge it.

He fails to outline it. He keeps repeating his usual talking points, but he has no clue how they can possibly translate into a path to the nomination. Biden should send him a thank you note. Nobody debunks Bernie's arguments better than Bernie.

[lees1975]

43. Not enough delegates left unless he wins 100% of them

and that's not going to happen.

If something happened and Biden wasn't able to claim the nomination, the party won't turn to Bernie. At this point, I think you'd have a emerging candidate, like Andrew Cuomo or Jay Inslee, who have had a lot of face time and are way more popular than the orange headed buffoon.

[SidDithers]

49. ...

Sid

[mcar]

51. ...

[Kablooie]

53. I'll bet he will run as independent

He is not concerned about the country anymore. Only about himself.
He’s lost me completely.

[Bleacher Creature]

54. Does that path involve a genie and three wishes?

[Freethinker65]

55. No there is not. Sanders will not win the nomination.

I have no problem with him continuing to fight for policies he believes in to get them on the Democratic platform, but Sanders will not be the Democratic nominee.

[nini]

57. I despise this disruptor

There is so much at risk right now in this country and this egomaniac won't do what's right and step aside.

hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[ucrdem]

62. This is getting dangerous.

His more fanatical supporters are none too stable, to read their articles anyway, and who's to say this kind of talk won't send one of them over the edge?

[Gothmog]

64. Putin wants sanders to stay in this race as long as possble

sanders has no chance of being the nominee given his recent stunts. Even if Joe comes down with COVID 19 and dies, sanders will not be the nominee. sanders has the support of 305 of the party which means that the rest of the party will never support sanders/

sanders should stop trying to help Putin and trump and drop out.

[Todd79]

69. Thank you

[ehrnst]

70. ...

[sheshe2]

71. Yep.

[NurseJackie]

72. Hey Bernie... it's over! OVER!!

Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

[sheshe2]

73. Boom!

[Gothmog]

74. The path requires Joe Bided to die

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

75. sanders is trailing by almost 40%

Link to tweet

?s=20

[pbmus]

77. Sanders is a party destroyer...

[Chainfire]

81. Biden might have a chance

If Biden was politically emasculated, dropped out, or dropped dead. All of which are in the realm of possibility; you can be sure the current president is considering all three options.