This Is What an Opposition Party Is Supposed to Sound Like

[Uncle Joe]

Bernie Sanders’s moral outrage and devastating sarcasm struck back against a GOP assault on poor and low-income workers.

(snip)

In a matter of minutes, during a debate that focused on just one portion of a huge measure, Sanders illustrated how an opposition party is supposed to operate, and what it’s supposed to sound like. Refusing to let Republicans peddle the nonsense that invariably serves as a cover for the awful combination of bailouts for the wealthy and austerity for the working class, Sanders pushed back.

It was a fight Sanders expected to win, but it was the way he fought it that mattered: He hit as hard as the Republicans. And he claimed the moral high ground—inspiring the hashtag #ThankYouBernie to trend on social media as the Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II wrote, “#ThankYouBernie for pointing out the immorality of Republicans funding big business & trying to strip out the few things in the bill to help poor & low income workers.”

Former senator Heidi Heitkamp, a moderate Democrat from North Dakota, circulated a video of the speech with the message, “I may not always agree with @BernieSanders but this is @BernieSanders at his very best. You go, my friend!”

(snip)

What was striking, and what will be remembered, is that in this chaotic moment Bernie Sanders framed an urgent debate around the fundamental premise that “one thing we must not do is punish low-income workers.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/sanders-senate-coronavirus-relief/

[BlueIdaho]

1. How many more posts about this photo op

Do you think are fair?

Let it sink.

[Me.]

2. When You Have Nothing Else

what are you going to do?

[BlueIdaho]

3. Let it sink

[FiveGoodMen]

4. K&R

[MineralMan]

5. Nobody really heard Bernie's speech, and it didn't change

anything in the bill. The time for him to speak would have been during negotiations for the contents of the bill. But he wasn't at the Senate when they were going on.

I'm sorry, but I can't see anything he accomplished with that.

[NurseJackie]

15. He was absent while others were doing the hard work, right?

Then he just shows up at the last minute? I don't know anyone who's impressed with grandstanding stunts and showboating. I think that the majority of voters are smart enough to see through things like that.

[MineralMan]

16. Yes, he was. by the time he gave his fiery speech, what he called

for had already been accomplished in his absence from the floor of the Senate. Others led that accomplishment, not Bernie. His speech was vainglorious.

[NurseJackie]

18. How bizarre it is that people like Brianna Gray were singing his praises from the rooftops...

How bizarre it is that people like Brianna Gray were singing his praises from the rooftops... as if he (and he alone) was the one who accomplished everything... alone... by himself... exclusively... with no help from anyone at all.

Sometimes I wonder if people like Sirota and Gray and Turner actually believe the bullshit they put out into the world... are they truly delusional? Or, is it all just play-acting... a grand scheme to gaslight the woefully incurious and other low-information-voters into believing their false characterizations and descriptions of events.

[MineralMan]

19. Bernie does not realize that the leaders of his own staff

are working to sabotage his campaign and would have done so even further had he become the nominee. They do not actually support him, I believe, but support the underlying campaign for chaos.

I'm sorry to see that a progressive Senator was so easily duped. And yet, he hired people who proudly claim to have voted for Jill Stein. It beggars understanding.

[NurseJackie]

20. I believe there is a simple explanation for his campaign staff choices...

I believe there is a simple explanation for his campaign staff choices... in my opinion, I believe that Jill Stein supporters were chosen as an intentional snub and unmistakable "fuck you" message directed toward the Democratic party. In fact, no other candidate campaigns against the Democratic party, just Bernie.

He hired some really deplorable people to be the faces of his campaign. He made the Democratic party (our leadership and some of our best politicians) his enemies who "conspire" against him.

The rhetoric coming from him and from his campaign has a toxic and erosive effect. He deliberately plays that dangerous game and is fully aware that campaigning like this will turn his supporters away from the Democratic Party if he doesn't win the nomination.

No other Democrat behaves like this and it creates frustration and anger among Democrats because we've been through this before. It contributed to getting Trump elected and despite all that, BS doesn't care about it and still plays the same game.

All I'm trying to say is that it serves NO GOOD PURPOSE for his quixotic game to continue. It's divisive and it harms the party, it weakens the party. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[MineralMan]

21. Sadly, I'm coming to a place where I believe you could be correct.

If so, it is a sad commentary on a number of things. I hope we can overcome those things in November. We must.

[The Magistrate]

22. He Views Such People, Sir

As the cadre for the new Party he wants to erect on the wreckage he makes of the Democratic Party. You may see these people as sabotaging the Sanders campaign, but 'Bernie' does not. They attack the 'Democratic Establishment', which is what 'Bernie' is running to do.

Mind you, it true there hard-line Marxist socialist for whom 'Berenie' is at best a trimmer, and for some such barely discernible from Mr. Biden or Trump. His campaign coterie is not that far over the edge. They do share his goal of destroying the Democratic Party, however.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[MineralMan]

24. I Believe You May Be Putting the Cart Before the Horse, Sir.

I believe that those on his staff, among others, think themselves to be cadre, but I believe they are simply using Bernard Sanders (I-VT) as a vainglorious figurehead to help them build the new "Party" of which you speak. Sanders has a high position in government, and is easily flattered by flattery and encouragement of his vainglory. He is an ideal figurehead, with his flying locks of white hair and his booming rhetoric.

Sanders, however, has been duped by those younger, more energetic, political operatives into believing that he can rise to power in his dotage and accomplish things that have previously frustrated his attempts to lead. He follows their subtle lead in a final attempt at relevance.

Of course, it is highly likely that those oh-so-clever staff members are, themselves, dupe and stooges of an even stronger, more powerful leader whose motives they do not understand. A brilliant, yet cruel, leader of another nation who seeks an even more encompassing goal.

Perhaps it is dupes and stooges all the way down, to borrow a metaphor from Hinduism.

So i conceive, Sir, in any case. However, I admit that I might not be imagining things completely accurately. There could be yet another level of corruption I am not detecting.

[The Magistrate]

25. Simple Explainations Are Usually Best, Sir

"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[MineralMan]

26. They Are Adequate for Simple People, I Agree, Sir.

[The Magistrate]

27. A Person Of Sensitive Temperament, Sir

Might take that amiss....

Have you a man I can send my friend to see, Sir?

[MineralMan]

28. I have no manservants, Sir.

I am in full charge of my own affairs.

No offense was intended, since I'm certain you are far from being a simple man. My comment referred to a different group.

[The Magistrate]

30. No Offense Meant On My Part Either, Sir

Just too good a chance to pass up. It can be dangerous to employ the English language where I can hear or see, it is a remarkably fluid tongue.....


"English doesn't borrow from other languages. It tracks them down in alleys, mugs them, and rifles their pockets for spare words and bits of grammar."

[MineralMan]

33. Language Is My Life, Sir.

The English language is among the richest of all tongues, since it has stolen from every language to enrich itself. That allows its users to explore faint tracks of meaning at times. Sadly, few are able to follow such evanescent scent trails. Using English fully is, of course, impossible, but its capabilities often cause misunderstandings.

[lapucelle]

31. THIS Is What an Opposition Party Is Supposed to Sound Like...

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100213185288

[zonkers]

6. Go Bernie.

[showblue22]

7. He was ignored by everyone.

Swoop in after negotiations and grandstand. This is all this was.

[George II]

8. Opposition party? When one constantly bashes the republican party AND the Democratic Party.....

....just what "party" is that then?

[NurseJackie]

23. No other candidate campaigns against the Democratic party, just Bernie.

Fact of the matter is this: He hired some really deplorable people to be the faces of his campaign. He made the Democratic party (our leadership and some of our best politicians) his enemies who "conspire" against him.

The rhetoric coming from him and from his campaign has a toxic and erosive effect. He deliberately plays that dangerous game and is fully aware that campaigning like this will turn his supporters away from the Democratic Party if he doesn't win the nomination.

No other Democrat behaves like this and it creates frustration and anger among Democrats because we've been through this before. It contributed to getting Trump elected and despite all that, BS doesn't care about it and still plays the same game.

All I'm trying to say is that it serves NO GOOD PURPOSE for his quixotic game to continue. It's divisive and it harms the party, it weakens the party. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[lapucelle]

32. THIS Is What an Opposition Party Is Supposed to Sound Like

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100213185288

[The Magistrate]

9. Will There Be Further Instalments After Lunch, Sir

We all wait with bated breath....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[comradebillyboy]

10. A party of one isn't effective opposition...

[George II]

11. From that article (you could have included this in the OP):

The measure would have been dramatically worse had Republicans not been faced with the reality of a divided Congress and the interventions of Senate minority leader Charles Schumer and his caucus, which fought for more than $100 billion for hospitals, $150 billion dollars for state and local government, $30 billion in emergency education funding, $25 billion in emergency transit funding, vital initiatives for small businesses, and anti-corruption initiatives that Schumer said were toughened with the aid of Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren. The Democrats celebrated a plan providing direct payments averaging $1,200 for individuals and $2,400 for couples, as well as what Schumer dubbed “unemployment insurance on steroids.”

THANK you Senator Schumer, thank you Senator Warren, and thank you Schumer's negotiators who worked tirelessly for days to come up with this bill.

It irks me to no end now when someone who had nothing to do with drafting the bill attempts to take credit for all that hard work of our Senate Democrats.

[LongtimeAZDem]

14. Exactly right

[treestar]

17. Oh the Establishment

was what made the bill better!

[Uncle Joe]

34. Anyone could also actually read the article,

I have never believed that was too much to ask.

You could just as easily have started your own OP from this article with that paragraph, why didn't you do that?

I support Bernie Sanders for President and post what favors him on the Primary Forum, don't you do likewise for Biden?

[The Magistrate]

35. Nice To See The 'Top Line Packing' At Work, Sir

A common enough trick to try and reduce visibility of comments you would rather not have others see. How far back are you meaning to go?





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Uncle Joe]

36. Your cynicism is noted sir, however I would welcome anyone to read any comment

I have made on this forum including this post on this OP which was near the bottom of the page.

[The Magistrate]

39. As The Man Said, Sir

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."


People used to try this on back in the Israel v Palestine forum, it's a hoary old trick.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Uncle Joe]

40. How about your ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY about the future in a world full of doubt combined

with that cynicism sir.

"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."

I can see how that would be an issue on the Israel v Palestine forum.

[The Magistrate]

44. I Stand By The Statement, Sir

Actually it is not mine but by Mr. Chait in 'New York' magazine, and in my earlier postings of it I made the attribution. It is so apt and succinct I have adopted it as a regular signature, and will continue to do so. It makes a sound point very well, and it is a point you and some others need to face up to.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."[/i]





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Uncle Joe]

47. The same Johnathan Chait that initially supported the war with Iraq?

This Chait?

(snip)

Chait was an initial supporter of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.[11]

(snip)


On September 26, 2011, Chait, while admitting he hadn't read Gilad Atzmon's book The Wandering Who, in order to assess the context of a number of quotes, responded to John Mearsheimer's comment about Atzmon's book by citing passages which he regarded as characteristically antisemitic.[17]

On January 27, 2015, Chait wrote an article for New York Magazine on political correctness, which he labeled "a system of left-wing ideological repression" and cited examples from academia and social media.[18] His article was met with criticism, largely, although not entirely, negative.[19][20][21][22] Chait later responded to the criticisms in a second article for New York Magazine.[23]

In February 2016, Chait argued in New York Magazine that "Liberals Should Support a Trump Republican Nomination", predicting among other things that a Trump presidency would develop similar to the governorship of Arnold Schwarzenegger in California (who like Trump was a celebrity who became a Republican politician without prior public service experience).[24] In 2019, The Outline selected this piece as one of the "worst takes of the 2010s", opining that "Chait’s immensely confident take [...] is a humiliating crystallization of the wrongheaded thinking that propelled [Trump] to the White House."[25]

Jonathan Chait has written extensively in support of charter schools.[26][27] On January 14, 2019, he accused Senator Elizabeth Warren of selling out to "powerful interests" for her opposition to an initiative which would have expanded the number of charter schools in Massachusetts.[28]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Chait

[The Magistrate]

50. Thank You For The Laugh, Sir

Having viewed that enterprise myself with scorn as an act of idiocy that could have no good result, it does not trouble me that the man made a mistake years ago. Especially when he gets off a fine and precise summation of the case with 'Bernie' at the present day.

Let me guess --- you oppose Mr. Biden on similar grounds? Charge him, as was done to Mrs. Clinton, with being a war-monger eager to set the Middle East on fire with a nuclear blaze?

Every person in the country whose main reason for opposing a candidate was apparent support eighteen years ago for invading Iraq could gather for a meeting in the basketball gym of a large rural high school. It would be dense, but hardly stifling. No one cares. Really. No one cares.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Uncle Joe]

54. Was Chait's supporting the greatest foreign policy disaster since the 1960s the only thing

that raised doubts about his judgment to you?

I copied and pasted a fair amount more about Chait like the tidbit about him believing Trump would govern as Schwarzenegger.

[The Magistrate]

56. Didn't Even Bother With Your Block-Quote, Sir

I would quote the Devil himself if what he wrote were spot-on and apt to my purpose. I have favorite quotes from Chesterton, I have even quoted the late and un-lamented Mr. Buckley on occasion. There are even a couple from Stalin in the rotation, and not the worn to death 'counts the votes' line, either.

Mr. Chait's commentary in the article was an excellent account of the state of play where 'Bernie' and his campaign are concerned. Nothing you say will change that. i will not even point out what you are doing would have many just chanting 'ad hominem, ad hominem' at you....




"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Uncle Joe]

58. Well here is more than a block quote regarding Chait's JUDGMENT

(snip)

There are three reasons, in descending order of obviousness, for a liberal to earnestly and patriotically support a Trump Republican nomination. The first, of course, is that he would almost certainly lose. Trump’s ability to stay atop the polls for months, even as critics predicted his demise, has given him an aura of voodoo magic that frightens some Democrats. But whatever wizardry Trump has used to defy the laws of political gravity has worked only within his party. Among the electorate as a whole, he is massively — indeed, historically — unpopular, with unfavorable ratings now hovering around 60 percent and a public persona almost perfectly designed to repel the Obama coalition: racial minorities, single women, and college-educated whites. It would take a landscape-altering event like a recession for him to win; even that might not be enough.

Second, a Trump nomination might upend his party. The GOP is a machine that harnesses ethno-nationalistic fear — of communists, criminals, matrimonial gays, terrorists, snooty cultural elites — to win elections and then, once in office, caters to its wealthy donor base. (This is why even a social firebrand like Ted Cruz would privately assure the billionaire investor Paul Singer that he wasn’t particularly concerned about gay-marriage laws.) As its voting base has lost college-­educated voters and gained blue-collar whites, the fissure between the means by which Republicans attain power and the ends they pursue once they have it has widened.

What has most horrified conservative activists about Trump’s rise is how little he or his supporters seem to care about their anti-government ideology. When presented with the candidate’s previous support for higher taxes on the rich or single-payer insurance, heresies of the highest order, Trump fans merely shrug. During this campaign, Trump has mostly conformed to party doctrine, but without much conviction. Trump does not mouth the rote conservative formulation that government is failing because it can’t work and that the solution is to cut it down to size. Instead, he says it is failing because it is run by idiots and that the solution is for it to instead be run by Trump. About half of Republicans favor higher taxes on the rich, a position that has zero representation among their party’s leaders. And those Republicans are the most likely to support Trump.

The third reason to prefer a Trump nomination: If he does win, a Trump presidency would probably wind up doing less harm to the country than a Marco Rubio or a Cruz presidency. It might even, possibly, do some good.

(snip)


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/02/why-liberals-should-support-a-trump-nomination.html

[The Magistrate]

59. None Of It Matters, Sir

You will note the man's chief reasons were that he supposed Trump's nomination would do great damage to the Republican cause. That was not an unreasonable thought at the time, and taking a longer view, may still pan out. He took the critter at his word on a few things, but that is pardonable, if foolish in hindsight. A good deal of the commentariat made that mistake, mostly one suspects through insularity and lack of familiarity with the darkest recesses of 'Death Wish II' urban conservatism. In normal circumstances Cruz might well have done more harm to the government. His judicial appointments and appointments to government positions would certainly have been as bad as Trump's. He might, having some experience of government, have run a more efficient shop, and most successes in balking or delaying Trump owe to his sloppiness and inefficiency as an executive. His ignorance and pride hamper him still. Cruz is neither ignorant nor sloppy. Absent the crisis nature has sprung upon us, it is not unreasonable even today to suppose Cruz, an intelligent and efficient radical christo-fascist, might well have done more long-term harm to the fabric of government, and greater long term damage to our society, than Trump has managed. No one usually bothers with any real assessment of a candidate's competence to deal with major crisis, the un-spoken assumption being that the standing machinery of government will take over and see to it proper action be taken to deal with the situation. We are doubly unfortunate to have this creature at the helm in this desperate situation, But a commentator can't be held responsible for not foreseeing the unforseeable. There is nothing in that so erroneous as take the man down to a cellar and bill his family for the bullet.

As a general thing, it does very little good to wave pages of quote and commentary at me. Certainly it is useless to brandish quotations stripped of context, not just the words that may be around them, but the times and palces in which they were written. Do not take my comments as a defense of Mr. Chait --- they are simply an exposure of the weakness of your own position regarding him.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[George II]

37. The article gave credit to Schumer and other Democrats who were responsible...

....for negotiating huge improvements and benefits into the bill. What you posted was an attempt at giving Sanders some, most, or even all of the credit for the bill, even though he was hundreds of miles from Washington when the hard work was being done and had ZERO to do with crafting the bill.

Sorry, but it didn't work.

[Uncle Joe]

38. Yes the article did that but it was also titled after Bernie specifically

"Bernie Sanders’s moral outrage and devastating sarcasm struck back against a GOP assault on poor and low-income workers."

[George II]

41. At the time Sanders expressed that moral outrage the bill had already been hammered out....

It was voted upon and passed shortly after that, "moral outrage and devastating sarcasm" notwithstanding.

Other than being one of 96 Aye votes, Sanders had absolutely nothing to do with the final bill. Nothing is going to change that.

[Uncle Joe]

43. Nothing is hammered out until it's passed, everyone in the Senate has phone or Internet

service and they knew precisely where Bernie stood.

[George II]

48. Once a bill is introduced and debate begins it won't change until after a failing vote....

...or a Senator introduces an amendment.

Neither of those two things happened, not even from the Amendment King. If it was so bad why didn't he try to amend it or why didn't he vote against it?

Reminder, the bill passed 96-0. The sum total of his input on the bill was to be one of those 96 votes.

[The Magistrate]

42. Which Is Why You Put It Up, Sir

Had the title hinted at credit for Sen. Schumer or Speaker Pelosi for getting valuable provisions into the bill, you would not have bothered.

Essentially you simply clip press releases from or favorable to 'Bernie' and pile them in. You add no real commentary, you make no points of your own, you simply copy and paste. It's risible.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Uncle Joe]

45. That's correct sir because this is the Democratic Primary forum

if they had been candidates for President and I supported them, the OP would primarily be about Senator Schumer or Speaker Pelosi.

I agree with virtually every OP that I copy, paste and post here or at the very least consider them worthy for discussion but that's risible?

[The Magistrate]

46. That Is What It Is, Sir

And who would post up items he did not agree with? What is risible is the regularity and the monumental un-importance of the cascade you present us with. These are never developments, never news, seldom are they anything but self-serving pronouncements from St. Bernard of Burlington, or chants of liturgical praise for his name. You commit the worst sin it is possible to commit, Sir --- you are boring. You provide neither entertainment nor information.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[Uncle Joe]

49. Biden pets a puppy and smiles at a child,

50-100 likes, there are countless threads here along those lines.

Virtually any and everything that I post about Bernie has to do about the issues whether you agree with him, the author or not.

[The Magistrate]

51. You Will Have To Put Up A Link To That, Sir

No mention of Mr. Biden petting a puppy has come to my notice in this forum....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[revmclaren]

57. You are more than welcome to post pictures of Sanders

petting a puppy or smiling at a child, etc.

It would be a refreshing change from regurgitated and/or copied and pasted political memes.

The best of non-political pictures of Bernie.....yes, I could go for that.



ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.

[Happy Hoosier]

12. Oh Bernie is great at the fiery speech....

anything else, not so much.

He's a gadfly, doing gadfly things.

He was in Vermont while the grown-ups were negotiating the bill.

[Turin_C3PO]

13. Good speech but

he should have been there during negotiations. Much more effective that way.

[wyldwolf]

29. As usual, Bernie supporters adore what he SAYS, even though he DOES nothing.

[BidenBacker]

52. Man, this is getting old

Let's see now...I can't safely go anywhere...I got no sports to watch on TV...I've already played all the Steam games I own...and I've downloaded every porn movie ever made.

Need some new hobbies...reading ad nauseam BS about arrogant BS ain't exactly cutting it. Think it's time to fire up that new drone that's been sitting in the box for a long time and see how them new FPV goggles I just bought work. Go chop up some of them nasty viruses floating around in the air.

[Aquaria]

53. The Nation

Is hardly an unbiased source. So what they think is "finest" or "what an opposition party should sound like" about anything political can be taken with a grain of salt.

[TygrBright]

55. Yes, if only it weren't opposition to the Democratic Party. n/t