I need a practical retort

[imavoter]

To a Bernie only or not voting at all person.
Snarky ok, but would rather be
witty/Practical
*mods...i am on no way asking for a primary
Discussion. blue no matter who.

Please no bashing of candidates. Just
Looking for help becuase In was called a lazy thinker and that I had no conviction by a friends friend on facecrack

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. One retort could be, "Why do you want Trump to be re-elected?"

[imavoter]

2. Yea, I already mentioned that

I rarely engage in this crap.

[question everything]

3. In order to make changes, one has to be in a position to make them

Too logical?

[imavoter]

5. Well what do you mean by that?

I'm not sure I get it.

[marble falls]

20. Really?

[question everything]

21. Let's say that, once Biden is in office he will implement all of Sanders' wishes

or, at least some of them.

But in order to do this he first has to be elected. Including the votes of the Sanderistas.

[BidenBacker]

4. You didn't specify if you wanted a bumper sticker or a one-liner or what

So I decided on a limerick for Bernie-only Bros...

There once was an ass from New York
Who thought that your Bern was a dork
But Joe won the race
Proved Don a disgrace
Let's all go and pop a big cork

[BlueMTexpat]

7. ...

[question everything]

22. The talents on DU never cease to amaze me

If I have missed your limericks before (on the Lounge?) I apologize.

[B Stieg]

6. Does he want Bernie to have a voice in the Senate?

He won't stand a chance--none of us will--under another 4 years of tRump and McConnell.
Also, does he really think Bernie is going to run for president again?
Time to hop off the Burlington Express!

[Dem4Life1102]

8. Who would you rather appoint the next

Supreme Court Justice?

[Hav]

9. It's hard to reason with them because

too many of them aren't pragmatic which makes practical retorts very difficult. It's either their way or it doesn't matter if everything burns to the ground

Attempts to reason with them that I've seen fail:
- Would they rather see Trump getting elected: They see no difference between Biden and Trump because of their naive binary thinking
- Do you prefer Trump appointing the next 2-3 SC judges: Again, no difference because of Clarence Thomas and Biden voting for some picks of Repub presidents back in a time when not politicizing that process was the norm. This is below child-like thinking by them, they don't realize the power behind being the one who nominates the candidate.
- Obamacare under attack by Repubs: They don't care, anything but Medicare for all isn't an option.

[imavoter]

23. I finally told him if he wanted to discuss policy

I would continue the discussion if he would stop with all the name calling memes.

All I got was more memes, so I moved on

[ihaveaquestion]

10. Maybe this "Sometimes practicality is the only answer...

even in politics and idealism must take a backseat."

This arguement made sense to me. I was a Bernie supporter in 2916 (voted for Hilary, of course) and I think
he could actually have beat orange-face then, but this time around is different. Don-the-Con's support is more ingrained now, Faux Neus is all in and raring to go and support for Bernie isn't as widespread as in 2016. Back then, there were people who would have voted for Bernie, but not for Hilary and they voted for Don-the-Con. Now there are many people (disaffected republicans, former Hilary supporters and others) who won't vote for either Bernie or Donnie, but who will vote for Biden, making him the safer bet to win back the Country.

It could be a close thing in any case and risking the country's future on idealistic goals, right or wrong, is not facing reality.

One more point... Faux Neus is completely ready to go with a "Save us from Communism" schtick to use against Bernie. Right before Super Tuesday I caught a glimpse of their programming and they were running quasi documentaries on the evils of communism, of Stalin and Mao, no less. Biden won and I haven't seen or heard anything like it again. If Bernie had won big then, I'm sure that would have been just the beginning of the Anti-Commie campaign they were going to run with. All of us on the left would have found it comical, but it would have been scarily effective with the simple souls of the right.

[BidenBacker]

11. Damn, now I'm stuck in limerick mode

There once was a dick from Manhattan
On taxpayers' bucks he would fatten
The man was a whore
He stole from the poor
Joe'll smash that asshole just like Patton

[Sloumeau]

12. Just ask the person which of Bernie's proposals

he or she likes. Then point out what will happen in each of those areas if Trump gets re-elected. For example, Bernie wants Medicare for all, but with Trump, not only do you not get Medicare for All, but he also wants to take away Obamacare.

[Hortensis]

13. Maybe add an insightful little anecdote to the chat?

And walk away? This is from The Economist.

Ambitious, exhilarated and a little nervous, a freshly elected Democratic congressman was buzzing with the possibilities of his new office when he first encountered Bernie Sanders. “You do realise this place is a complete waste of time, don’t you?” growled the independent senator from Vermont, by way of welcome to Capitol Hill. And, to be fair to Mr Sanders—and to the millions of Americans who set such great store by his integrity and plain speaking—he could not have summed up his own legislative history better.

[PatSeg]

14. Whoa, I'd never heard that story

I wonder how he really feels about the presidency or our democracy overall.

[BidenBacker]

17. Wow

Talk about peeing in the party punchbowl. I'll bet his FDR-like fireside chats during the approaching Second Great Republican Depression would be a real uplifting hoot to listen to.

[Hortensis]

19. His colleagues in VT and DC have "got a million of them."

Always the same themes they can count on one hand, though. The man's consistent like a talking doll with its string pulled.

"Anyway, the Democrats do it too."

[McKim]

15. Have Them Take a Look at Biden's Website

Your words won’t work. Try facts. Have them take a look at Biden’s campaign website and they will see that Biden has incorporated a lot of Sanders’ ideas into his platform. When I saw that Biden was going to end the forever wars, that convinced me. No one’s mind is made up in one instant, but in a series of little events. Don’t bully, use facts. As the bodies pile up round this country your friend will see the light.

[Politicub]

16. How about, "You do you, boo."

I think it’s so ridiculous to vote to keep Trump in office by wasting the power of one’s vote. I’m not sure there is a way to breakthrough that mindset. Life is too short to beg a Bernie supporter. Ugh, even thinking about it makes me nauseous.

[Todd79]

18. Tell them that

They aren’t pro-women’s rights if they are #BernieorBust. Unfortunately the odds of RBG still seated in 5 years are iffy. Another conservative justice will set the Supreme Court as anti-choice possibly for decades.