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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:23 PM Mar 2020

Bernie's campaign less than one hour ago.

Does this look like anything good is coming out of talks? Bernie is not dropping out anytime soon. In fact, it looks like they will ratchet UP the attacks not down.

To me, this looks like Bernie will not stop until he helps his favorite candidate win.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie's campaign less than one hour ago. (Original Post) showblue22 Mar 2020 OP
Now I think they are being paid by Putin Walleye Mar 2020 #1
Bingo! showblue22 Mar 2020 #2
And, BS said this.. Cha Mar 2020 #4
It's old fashioned gas lighting. showblue22 Mar 2020 #7
Of course it is. That's one reason why he lost, imo. Cha Mar 2020 #10
Some people just never learn. MoonRiver Mar 2020 #39
No kidding. Cha Mar 2020 #45
Aloha Cha! MoonRiver Mar 2020 #47
Just hanging in there.. feel safe at Cha Mar 2020 #49
This thread and many others on DU quakerboy Mar 2020 #46
Maybe. But I think Bernie isn't in charge. Jakes Progress Mar 2020 #6
I think he is aware . showblue22 Mar 2020 #8
I think you give him too much credit. Jakes Progress Mar 2020 #15
You very well could be right. showblue22 Mar 2020 #16
After being part of several campaigns Aquaria Mar 2020 #31
After being part of several campaigns Jakes Progress Mar 2020 #38
Sanders should be primarted in Vermont. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #29
+++++ NCProgressive Mar 2020 #42
BS is in charge. Cha Mar 2020 #12
Come on. Aquaria Mar 2020 #28
I'm not saying he isn't responsible. Jakes Progress Mar 2020 #37
This ad is unacceptable Gothmog Mar 2020 #36
+++++ NCProgressive Mar 2020 #40
You lost. Go away. LizBeth Mar 2020 #3
They no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. dalton99a Mar 2020 #5
Diamond And Silk In Slim-Tone Form, It Would Seem The Magistrate Mar 2020 #9
How Sad! McKim Mar 2020 #14
But you're OK with his campaign doing this? showblue22 Mar 2020 #18
Do You Suppose, Ma'am, Republicans Would Not Take That Line? The Magistrate Mar 2020 #19
There's a reason we have the expression Aquaria Mar 2020 #33
Your profile says you joined in 2014 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 #25
Trump needs to go . Sanders should get out. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #30
You BS supporters sure can dish it out but can't take it. Aquaria Mar 2020 #32
Well said. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #35
Brava! NCProgressive Mar 2020 #44
Bye Bye ... have a nice time out there NCProgressive Mar 2020 #43
Well said! showblue22 Mar 2020 #17
For one MFM008 Mar 2020 #11
Briahna Joy Gray is still pushing the nonsense. Sloumeau Mar 2020 #13
It's not even between the state and the parties Aquaria Mar 2020 #26
Neera Tanden knows what she's talking about too. BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #20
Love Neera BidenBacker Mar 2020 #22
I'm thinking of switching my primary choice to blue-wave Mar 2020 #21
Briahna is getting SO trashed on twitter. The comments are something! SunSeeker Mar 2020 #23
The cuts to Social Security and Medicare videohead5 Mar 2020 #24
I'd rather remind people Aquaria Mar 2020 #27
Trump going left what a joke...he is a fascist. We always knew some of Sanders' support consisted of Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #34
Dear Bernie staffers Yavin4 Mar 2020 #41
Skoal ucrdem Mar 2020 #48
 

Walleye

(35,269 posts)
1. Now I think they are being paid by Putin
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:29 PM
Mar 2020

Sick and tired of all liars

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
2. Bingo!
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:30 PM
Mar 2020

This is utterly shameful. They're actively helping Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,209 posts)
4. And, BS said this..
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:35 PM
Mar 2020
Donald Trump must be defeated,” Bernie Sanders insists, “and I will do everything in my power to make that happen.”

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1287673175
If I were to vote in a presidential
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showblue22

(1,026 posts)
7. It's old fashioned gas lighting.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:43 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,209 posts)
10. Of course it is. That's one reason why he lost, imo.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:54 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MoonRiver

(36,974 posts)
39. Some people just never learn.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 05:27 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,209 posts)
45. No kidding.
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 01:49 AM
Mar 2020

Aloha, MoonRver~StaySafe!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MoonRiver

(36,974 posts)
47. Aloha Cha!
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 07:34 AM
Mar 2020

You doing ok in beautiful Hawaii? Wish I were there to take a walk on the beach.( On edit: far away from any other people.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,209 posts)
49. Just hanging in there.. feel safe at
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 06:49 PM
Mar 2020

home and everywhere else is a crap shoot.

It is a beautiful day today.. all Sun Shiny.. we've had a lot of rain recently.

Take Care, MoonRiver

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

quakerboy

(14,133 posts)
46. This thread and many others on DU
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 02:43 AM
Mar 2020

are evidence of that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jakes Progress

(11,177 posts)
6. Maybe. But I think Bernie isn't in charge.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:40 PM
Mar 2020

I think the crazies that he has hired stroke his ego and praise him to his face so much that he just does what they want. He seems delusional enough to believe what he is being fed.

I would like all the things he campaigns for to happen. Every day he makes himself more marginal and more of a punchline, those things move farther from happening.

I don't really think he is directly aware of putin's work, but many who lead him about do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
8. I think he is aware .
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:44 PM
Mar 2020

He is fully aware and in charge. C'mon now!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jakes Progress

(11,177 posts)
15. I think you give him too much credit.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:07 AM
Mar 2020

That would call for more sophistication and logistics than I think he can muster.

I think most candidates get pushed and pulled by their handlers. Those professional campaign guys have axes to grind, but mostly just want the paycheck. They are masters at manipulating their charges. I think Bernie is so out of it that he is more susceptible to being handled. He seems to be a sucker for flattery.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
16. You very well could be right.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:08 AM
Mar 2020

Sounds like someone else we know too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
31. After being part of several campaigns
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 04:59 AM
Mar 2020

This is laughable to me.

You don't run for office if you're a marshmallow pushover who can be bullied by any two-bit schmuck with an agenda.

Politicians, even the good ones, are no one's fool, and have a strong will, massive ego, and a huge chunk of a shark's cunning thrown in for good measure. You can't handle the pressure of the campaign trail and political office without those qualities.

It's the rare politician who is a naive and weak little lamb. It just doesn't happen, because those types wither away in an instant from the rough and tumble of politics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jakes Progress

(11,177 posts)
38. After being part of several campaigns
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 05:18 PM
Mar 2020

This is not a laughing matter to me.

I don't know what gods you served as staff, but all the very good people that I worked for were human beings. Don't tell me that campaign staff with agendas don't move campaigns. Having a strong will and massive ego is exactly why they are manageable. It has nothing to do with pressure. They naturally gravitate to the staff that can shield them from pressure. Those with huge egos are the easiest to manipulate. An outsized ego is not a quality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(70,995 posts)
29. Sanders should be primarted in Vermont.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 04:53 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
42. +++++
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 05:47 PM
Mar 2020

and unleash all oppo against him

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,209 posts)
12. BS is in charge.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:58 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
28. Come on.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 04:53 AM
Mar 2020

This is downright Trumpian in its incoherence.

A candidate is responsible for his campaign, and his staff does only what he lets them do. If his handlers are more powerful than he is, it's because he is too weak to rein them in. Otherwise, he's the one condoning whatever they're up to, if not outright directing them to behave this way.

Good grief, the man has been in politics for over 30 years. He is no innocent lamb being hoodwinked by a bunch of Machiavellian highbinders. They are doing what he's okay with them doing, and it doesn't matter if he's actively or passively encouraging them. They are following his lead--no one else's.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jakes Progress

(11,177 posts)
37. I'm not saying he isn't responsible.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 05:13 PM
Mar 2020

I'm saying he is irresponsible. He has let ego and narrow vision put off all of the things he said he wanted to do. Just look at the horrible hiring he is responsible for. While he pretends to run for office, his hirees do crap that he lets get by. He hasn't the will to confront people who tell him what he wants to hear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(154,220 posts)
36. This ad is unacceptable
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 05:41 AM
Mar 2020

sanders needs to stop these ads

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(84,148 posts)
5. They no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:36 PM
Mar 2020


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
9. Diamond And Silk In Slim-Tone Form, It Would Seem
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:50 PM
Mar 2020

Against Sanders, the facts of his open support for Communists in the Caribbean and Central America into the Reagan era, as well as his support for the Iranian Revolution, would be what was dinned in. Sanders is often praised by his followers for 'consistency' throughout his political career, and that is where he was at its beginning. These are not smears, these are positions of a party he stood as elector for in a Presidential election. It is hard to claim a man does not support positions of a candidate he is an elector for. It can be attempted, but not with success. 'Crazy Bernie the Commie' is simply too fat a target to be passed up, and it would not be.

Mr. Biden has a whole structure of Party identity to rely on in the question of Social Security. Everyone knows it is a Democratic program, everyone knows Republicans are its enemy. The charge becomes noise. The 'Crazy Bernie the Commie' line is different, there is just enough fact, and fact not too widely known, to give it real bite. Especially among older voters, who were of age during the Cold War. And the line would be helped along by Sanders inability not to say that one extra sentence to try and justify his youthful foolishness. Of course he wasn't really youthful, he was nearing forty years of age. No one really cares if 'Red China' reduced poverty, no one really thinks that quite excuses the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution or Tiananmen Square. Just as no one, particular people of Cuban heritage in Florida, gives the north end of a southbound rat whether Castro got more people able to read.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

McKim

(2,412 posts)
14. How Sad!
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:02 AM
Mar 2020

How sad. I guess I am leaving DU after 10 years. Farewell. I have had enough abuse as a Sanders supporter.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
18. But you're OK with his campaign doing this?
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:14 AM
Mar 2020

You do realize what his campaign is doing don't you?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
19. Do You Suppose, Ma'am, Republicans Would Not Take That Line?
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:15 AM
Mar 2020

My comments are in response to a Sanders campaign staffer projecting how Mr. Biden would be attacked, in her view quite successfully, by Republicans in campaigning against Trump. Why a projection, based on readily available and uncontested facts, of a likely attack line against Sanders, in a campaign against Trump and Republicans, should be regarded as an offense against every law of God and Man, is unclear to me. Show me how Sanders defends himself against the attack, pressed home in news coverage of rallies (video or otherwise) and the steady bombardment of attack ads on the airwaves, and of crafted personal communications on social media. These are things no Democrat wants to do to Sanders, out of concern for the sensibilities and loyalties of his supporters and followers. Our open enemies will have no such compunction.

"Politics ain't bean-bag."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
33. There's a reason we have the expression
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 05:20 AM
Mar 2020

Of politics being like making sausage.

It's not a pleasant thing to take part in. Or to witness.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(115,004 posts)
25. Your profile says you joined in 2014
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 02:32 AM
Mar 2020

But what ever pleases you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(70,995 posts)
30. Trump needs to go . Sanders should get out.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 04:54 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
32. You BS supporters sure can dish it out but can't take it.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 05:17 AM
Mar 2020

Day after day, too many of you have accused other candidates and their supporters of being warmongers, sellouts, corporatists, centrists, fake liberals, traitors, stupid, deluded, liars, and more vile calumny.

But now when people push back and criticize your Dear Leader or expose his flaws, the serious problems with some of his positions or statements that can doom his electoral chances, and the paucity of his "ideas" and pie-in-the-sky"policies," you fall apart like a dollar store gift box in the rain. You take your toys and go home, both in the public square and, worst of all, on election day, rather than facing reality and doing the adult thing of owning/defending what you stand for--or, if it proves untenable, changing your mind and acting from there.

So go, poor little delicate flower, and take your perfect candidate with you. I, for one, am sick of the hypocrisy so many of you exhibit in thinking that you can be as insulting and demeaning as you want to those who have legitimate differences of opinion from yours, but how dare anyone even think your candidate and his supporters don't fart rainbows and pretty pink unicorns.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
43. Bye Bye ... have a nice time out there
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 05:49 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MFM008

(19,998 posts)
11. For one
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:57 PM
Mar 2020

No more democratic "debates".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
13. Briahna Joy Gray is still pushing the nonsense.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:01 AM
Mar 2020

On another topic, tell us, Briahna, if having the primaries was so terrible, how come I never saw your guy, Bernie Sanders, request that the primaries be suspended? Doesn't that imply that he was OK with them too? If so, why are have you been acting like states have been so terrible because they have been holding their primaries? Also, the DNC does not pick when states have their primaries. That is between the state Democratic party members and the state government.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
26. It's not even between the state and the parties
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 04:34 AM
Mar 2020

The primaries or caucuses are determined by state law, not choice, in nearly all states.

California changed their law in 2017 so that their primaries would happen on Super Tuesday. In the past, they held their primary on the first Tuesday in June. They got tired of having no weight on the nomination process, and moved it up--by law.

So there is no "choice" in the matter. The primaries are law, unless there's a compelling reason to change the date.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BigmanPigman

(52,223 posts)
20. Neera Tanden knows what she's talking about too.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:29 AM
Mar 2020

She was on Hillary's campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
22. Love Neera
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 01:47 AM
Mar 2020

and the work she's doing at the Center for American Progress. Hard-core true-blue liberal helping to advance the left's cause.

This other gal I can do without...still trying to figure out just who the fuck she is and what she's ever actually done...other than making some irritating videos and issuing insane tweets.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blue-wave

(4,488 posts)
21. I'm thinking of switching my primary choice to
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 01:23 AM
Mar 2020

Bernie. Maybe then I can get a penthouse apartment in tRump Tower Moscow.


What is wrong with this guy? He must really hate America. It's time to drop out and support Joe. You publicly stated, over and over, that you would support the Democratic nominee. Joe is unquestionably going to be the nominee. Bernie, you can't and you won't win. Do the right thing!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SunSeeker

(53,616 posts)
23. Briahna is getting SO trashed on twitter. The comments are something!
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 02:15 AM
Mar 2020

They're just not having it, nor are they forgetting Briahna voted for Jill Stein.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

videohead5

(2,427 posts)
24. The cuts to Social Security and Medicare
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 02:21 AM
Mar 2020

Are in Trump's budget right now. If he brings up that Biden wanted to freeze spending 40 years ago I would remind everyone that Trump use to be Democrat like 10 years ago.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
27. I'd rather remind people
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 04:42 AM
Mar 2020

About the lunacy of being a registered independent/Reform party member from 1996 - 2001

He was a Democrat only from 2001-2008. For the rest of his voting life, he's been a registered repuke. This helpful article shows how he was registered and how he's voted since 1987:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/07/donald-trumps-got-a-particularly-strange-voting-history/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(70,995 posts)
34. Trump going left what a joke...he is a fascist. We always knew some of Sanders' support consisted of
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 05:31 AM
Mar 2020

Trumpers not here but on twitter and Russian trolls. Sanders could stop the worst of this...but I guess he plans to Bern it down...so sad after a long career, he chooses to go out like this. Concede Sen.Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Yavin4

(36,236 posts)
41. Dear Bernie staffers
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 05:47 PM
Mar 2020

Find another side hustle. The primaries are over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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