Biden to adopt Bernies plan of Free college and Warrens bankruptcy plan....................

[riversedge]

Well now--everybody is happen. I am.


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Across the country, middle and working class families are being squeezed by debt. This is a massive problem, and one that we need all of the best ideas to solve. That's why today, I'm adopting two plans from @BernieSanders and @ewarren to achieve this.

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First: Bernie has put forward a plan that would make public colleges and universities free for families whose income is below $125,000. It's a good idea, and after consideration, I am proud to add it to my platform.
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Second: Few people in the country understand how bankruptcy hurts working families more than Elizabeth Warren. Today, I am fully endorsing and adopting her bankruptcy plan, which she called "Fixing Our Bankruptcy System to Give People a Second Chance."

[Siwsan]

1. One of the things I admire about Joe is his ability to listen and adopt/adapt other's ideas

Just like he invited trump* to look at and use his plan for combating this virus. He wants what's best for the nation, not just what's best for him.

[SCliberal91294]

2. Climate Change

This is the one where Biden needs to nudged a bit further to the left. After that he will be really good.

[LongtimeAZDem]

7. Biden has been proposing climate change legislation since 1986, long before most people had

heard about it.

[Hortensis]

52. Great. You'll be glad to know that, long before most people would cast any

vote based on environmental issues, Biden was one of the various "environmental" groups' top people in Washington. He always has been and still is. Give us the power, finally, and finally deny Republicans the power to stop us, and watch it happen.

Gasbags who make grand claims and deny who's good on climate do it because they're comparatively (or completely) empty sacks on this suddenly politically useful subject and can't stand the comparison.

[LongtimeAZDem]

3. Bernie's plan? Biden propsed it five years ago!

Biden Calls for 4 Years of Free College

[TwilightZone]

5. He's giving Bernie credit. It's smart politics.

It's also rather unselfish. Imagine that.

[caraher]

6. Sssshhhh!!!

Biden is trying to win over the Bernie supporters... works better when you credit Bernie!

[LizBeth]

13. Ya, HRC did the same thing, now Bernie people run around saying they are Sanders. Whatever.

[Celerity]

20. I still have no idea why he backed off that when he first announced, it soured me on him a bit

Glad to see him come back to it.

I actually got stick for posting that link loooong ago.

I obviously was going to vote for him over Sanders anyway, but now I am even happier to do so.

[marble falls]

27. Because there are a lot of centralists who think we can't afford education even as the Pentegon ...

gets three quarters of a trillion that we know about and however how much in "black" funding.

This turn reflects that Joe can listen to everyone and pivot as needed. Now we have to hold the House and take the Senate to make it all happen, and be ready again in two years to turn out record numbers of Democratic voters in 2022.

[TwilightZone]

4. This is how one builds a coalition.

Well, to be accurate, further builds a coalition.

Pretty soon, the Bernie or busters will be out of excuses, especially once Sanders withdraws and endorses Biden.

[comradebillyboy]

45. Do you think that will happen before July?

I don't. And the worse he gets beat the angrier he will be.

[TwilightZone]

47. I think he's out this week.

I've been saying that for a while now, so I should probably stick with it. I think if he gets blown out on Tuesday, as seems highly likely, he'll drop out this week.

If he doesn't, then it really is all about him and not about Trump or the progressive movement or his message. He's already flirting with making his "movement" less relevant.

[comradebillyboy]

48. I surely hope you are right and I am wrong.

[TwilightZone]

49. Yeah, me too.

We'll know pretty soon.

[beastie boy]

8. Wasn't Bernie's plan to offer free tuition to everyone, including millionaires and billionaires?

Looks like Joe is being overly magnanimous in giving Bernie credit.

Let's see if Bernie will appreciate this gesture.

[LizBeth]

15. Egos and all. The Democratic plan has always been more reasonable and responsible than Sanders

free University plan. Sanders would hurt the poor people, ultimately. Biden is too responsible for that. But will give Sanders a glow.

[Indykatie]

9. Biden Is A Team Player and Understands All The Candidates Need to Have A Win for Their Supporters

I'm hopeful that Bernie will accept his win and fully support Biden's run and help bring his supporters on board. The Bernie or bust crowd won't come on board but we can win without that group. Biden has done a good job expanding his base of support among college educated White women, suburban women and blue collar Whites that Hillary couldn't win over in 2016.

[riversedge]

10. That's leadership Reviewing the ideas of others, giving them credit and saying "yes, let's do that"

agree.



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That's leadership

Reviewing the ideas of others, giving them credit and saying "yes, let's do that"

Joe Biden is exactly who & what we need to unite!

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[andym]

11. That shows Joe's leadership

These policies will help Americans and he recognizes that and has adopted them.

[ecstatic]

12. Also needs to legalize marijuana, if he hasn't

expressed that already.

[marble falls]

18. My only disappointment with Joe is he is very cold on legalization (as was Barack) ...

Its a minor, minor disappointment as I've smoked pot since '68 whenever I want and have had VERY little trouble getting all that I've wanted ever since.

[brush]

29. May be leaving it to the states. More and more are coming around.

[marble falls]

31. That's sort of a Republican style response, but remember Bush's DEA busting medical pot ...

clubs legal in California? I want pot at least taken off federal dangerous drug lists.

[brush]

35. Give it time. And who you calling repug? Been toking long before you without...

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a problem of getting it. He already adapted to some Warren and Sanders' plans, no need to alienate some voters we might need, by letting states do it for now?

The object is to be smart, vote to beat trump, get Joe in office to implement his plans, not be 1-issue voters.

[marble falls]

55. I am sorry I made that seem I was calling you Republican. I only use that on Donnie ...

"Two Scoops". I just meant to say you were making a state's right argument for pot legalization. Here in Texas ut gets worse than that - counties, cities, towns can opt dry or not regarding alcohol. In a state that allows me to order a drink and put it in front of my child, I think is eight years old or older.

Let the Feds decriminalize pot and then make all states regulate it. That would even get the SCOTUS involved if there problem with a state's laws.

[brush]

58. OK, most states don't have that issue. 18 states and counting.

[ms liberty]

26. This. n/t

[Bucky]

14. Good!

Bernie's positions are extremely popular. Plus many of them are the right thing to do. The problem has never been his ideas, which poll after poll show the general public supports. The problem is his limited capacity of working well with others.

I still support 100% of Bernie's right to stay in the primaries. It does not hurt the party Noor impair party unity to have vigorous debates more than three months out from the nominating convention.

but Joe is right to start stealing Bernie's positions. That will unify the party as much as a vigorous endorsement from Sanders in July.

[LizBeth]

17. Free college to all is not the right thing to do. Universities would be overwhelmed and it would

be the privilege that would be taking advantage of this. They are already starting at a higher level and the competition would be brutal for those with less. It never made sense what Sanders was proposing. What Biden is putting out is the right thing to do, while giving Sanders the credit to stroke his ego.

[Bucky]

61. Have you ever worked in public policy or program development?

There are plenty of ways to design a program so that you're reaching out to and helping those with real financial needs.

The privileged are I'm going to go to private schools, not the tuition-subsidized public schools that Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have been talking about.

[Demsrule86]

16. No Biden adopted Warren's college plan...Sanders want us to pay for private college and billionaires

as there was no income limit...Warren had the cap. And I like her plan and now Biden's plan. I also like parts of her bankruptcy plan and think student loans should be in there. Those plans are both Warren's plan.

[LizBeth]

19. Correct. And the Democratic plan. Democrats have been proposing this all along.

[Maven]

21. Ok, now this is great.

Makes me more excited to get behind Biden now that Warren is out of the race.

[Donkees]

22. Except that's not Bernie's plan

[NurseJackie]

23. That's NOT "Bernie's plan"... argh!

[Celerity]

24. lol, the Berner bros on Twitter are not amused, lol, sooo typical

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[BidenBacker]

28. Got no words

[Turin_C3PO]

32. Those types will never

be happy unless Bernie is the nominee and maybe not even then. It’s best to write them off, we can win without them. Biden will have the Obama coalition plus a decent chunk of the white working class in November.

[marble falls]

25. He's putting together a very strong and detailed platform. He's going to kill Trump with the ...

details at their "debates.

[George II]

30. It's never good enough:

Now we must make all public universities, colleges and trade schools tuition-free for all, cancel all student debt, and fund it with a small tax on Wall Street speculation.

WRONG!

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[onetexan]

34. I get the feeling Bernie & Joe, or at least their campaign aids, have been talking

this seems to be Bernie's way to bow out gracefully. Hope that is the case.

[showblue22]

39. Nope.

Bernie says Biden's plan is not good enough.

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[BidenBacker]

46. BS

Now we must make all public universities, colleges and trade schools tuition-free for all, cancel all student debt, and fund it with a small tax on Wall Street speculation.

More arm-waving words. Let's see some numbers, Bernie.

I read recently that student debt is about $1.5 trillion. None of the experts know for sure how much wiping that out would really cost but it seems doable at first glance, especially since they're now talking about a possible TARP 2 to save the moneygrubbers on Wall Street costing $4 trillion or thereabouts to save their greedy asses again if the market tanks real bad. Haven't seen a single number yet on all the other stuff. Bet it would be a helluva lot more than wiping out student debt.

[Turin_C3PO]

37. Geeze.

C’mon on Bernie!

[betsuni]

54. What's that first sentence about the platform supposed to mean?

[BidenBacker]

33. Cannot Effing Believe

that Sanders supporters are now bitching about Joe "stealing" some of other people's ideas and helping to push them forward. Bernie does this all the time himself. He stole Truman's idea for a single payer healthcare plan he came up with circa 1947 and I don't hear none of Harry's supporters whining about it. Keep it up and all you guys will get is a big fat shit sandwich to munch on...even bigger and fatter than the one we've all been eating the last 3 years.

[Turin_C3PO]

36. It proves

that for that toxic minority of Bernie supporters that it’s not about the issues but about a cult of personality. They should be happy that Joe is willing to adapt some of Sanders’ ideas.

[BidenBacker]

42. Like I said this morning

"Mussolini Minions". It ain't the policies, it's all about the personality.

Not all of them, of course...many Bernie supporters here on DU strike me as quite reasonable folks. It's the ones who tweet their asses off.

I think maybe signing up on Twitter instantly reduces one's IQ by 50 points...which is why I stay away from it. That would make mine a negative number.

[BidenBacker]

38. Correction

Make that 1945...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/november-19-1945-harry-truman-calls-national-health-insurance-program

1947 was the year Ken Arnold spotted the first UFO when aliens were coming to tell us "about fucking time you guys had universal healthcare...we've had it on our planet for like 2 million years."

[still_one]

51. That is why they are losers

[mcar]

40. For families making less than $125,000

Not for all families. This is a very good move.

[Turin_C3PO]

41. I really like the plan.

The only problem is kids who have rich families who refuse to help them with tuition. My best friend in high school had that type of family. Of course, he was able to take out loans but now he owes a shitload on a public school teacher’s salary. I wonder what can be done with cases like that?

[PETRUS]

50. There are other reasons to avoid an income cap for such a program.

For one, it's generally understood that universal programs are more robust and cheaper to administer.

In addition to the added bureaucratic costs, it could generate other problems - some related to what you just wrote about - and create incentives to game the system. (Here's an economist writing about that: https://cepr.net/the-free-college-battle/ )

While I take Biden's announcement as a welcome development, I think a better answer for people concerned about giving the wealthy something they don't need is a more progressive tax code.

[BidenBacker]

43. That would exclude

roughly 20% of the top income households...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distribution-of-household-income-in-the-us/

Who ain't gonna vote for Joe anyway because he might raise their taxes by a whopping 3%.

[mcar]

44. Works for me

[writes3000]

56. To be fair, that probably includes me and I'm going to vote for Biden.

I think we need to be more careful about generalizing everyone within groups of people.

[BidenBacker]

57. Same here on both counts

So that's 2 outta how many?

Think it's a pretty safe generalization but will try to heed your warning in the future. No promises, though.

Now I'm off to try and find some numbers to back up my stereotyping or deflate it...because I'm just a numbers-crunching nerd who likes the truth.

[BidenBacker]

59. How's this for starters?

https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-republicans/

Income

Financially, Republicans fare better than either Democrats or Independents, and tend to identify themselves as such. Republican candidates gain a significantly higher percentage of votes from individuals with incomes over $50,000 per year, and the advantage increases along with the income level, to a height of 63 percent of individuals earning $200,000 or more a year supporting Republicans. This level is the direct inverse of individuals earning less than $15,000 a year, who support Democrats at 63 percent and Republicans at only 36 percent.

Republicans also express a much higher level of satisfaction with their personal financial situation than either Democrats or Independents. Before the U.S. economy’s downturn, an all-time high of 81 percent of Republicans expressed satisfaction with their personal financial situation. That number dropped to 61 percent in 2009, but it is still significantly higher than the corresponding 52 percent of Independents and 49 percent of Democrats. A much larger proportion of Republicans than Democrats also identify themselves as “haves” versus “have-nots.”

High earners vote Republican almost 2-to-1 than for Dems. Guess it's all them liberal movie stars and performers with a conscience who bring it down some...LOL.

[BidenBacker]

60. Here's a couple more real interesting ones for folks to peruse

A new survey shows how economic policy divides the GOP and unites Democrats

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/11/18659986/voter-study-group-democrats-economics

The study, released Tuesday by the Democracy Fund’s Voter Study Group, was authored by Lee Drutman, Vanessa Williamson, and Felicia Wong.

They gauged support for a few different progressive economic policy ideas and then compared the views of low-income voters (with less than $40,000 per year in household income) to more comfortable ones (with more than $80,000 per year in household income). For Democrats, the more affluent voters were generally more left-wing — probably because they are better-educated and thus generally more ideological — but the difference is small.

For Republicans, by contrast, there’s a huge fall-off in support as you go up the income ladder.

Bottomline is the higher income a Democrat has the more they are willing to support progressive economic policies that may end up costing them a few bucks...just the opposite of Republicans. In a nutshell, the richer a Gopper gets the greedier he gets. Here's another one that doesn't really cover party-affiliation vs income but has a lot of other great stuff to look at and get a little smarter...

Wide Gender Gap, Growing Educational Divide in Voters’ Party Identification

https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/wide-gender-gap-growing-educational-divide-in-voters-party-identification/

We geeks sure do love Pew Research...they never fail to produce excellent detailed snapshots of American society.

[Magoo48]

53. Stay in all the way, Bernie.

Push um’ left; push um’ left...way left.
Go Liz, Go Bernie...

[Bucky]

62. I agree. I'm not really supporting Sanders, but

I think it's good that we have more debates and more primaries and have time to excite and engage more voters around the country