Why a Biden-Klobuchar ticket can beat Trump

[question everything]

There’s a lot of talk that former vice president Joe Biden should pick a progressive or a person of color for his running mate if he does become the nominee. That’s an understandable and conventional view, but it’s wrong. He should instead emulate Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign and pick someone with a similar appeal to his own: Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.).

Clinton faced a challenge similar to that which Biden would face: how to win back blue-collar Democrats who had defected to the Republicans. He won the nomination by campaigning as a new type of Democrat — someone who shared the party’s traditional support for a strong government while recognizing that rising crime and welfare abuse were real problems. Biden’s calling card is that he can win back the same type of voters who defected to back Donald Trump in 2016, enabling Democrats to reclaim some of the former “blue wall” states in the Upper Midwest whose surprise defection elected Trump. Clinton could have done the traditional thing and picked someone associated with the old Democratic Party as his running mate. That would have reassured those people that they wouldn’t be shunted aside during his administration. Instead, Clinton doubled down on his approach and picked someone who, like him, was a young, Southern reform Democrat: Sen. Al Gore of Tennessee.

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Klobuchar would do for Biden what Gore did for Clinton. Like Biden, she is a traditional center-left Democrat who builds bridges rather than walls. She is comfortable campaigning in moderate tones while being unafraid to dust it up with Republicans and highlight their differences. As she often said when she was a presidential candidate, she’s carried red and blue areas of her home state with ease in three straight elections. Blue-collar former Democrats won’t be scared by her, and she would reinforce Biden’s message of national healing.

She brings another advantage to Biden that Gore could not bring to Clinton. As a woman, she would have distinct appeal to blue-collar women, who are likelier to switch back from Trump than blue-collar men. She also has appeal for educated suburban women, another key Democratic constituency, as a successful lawyer and professional. Keeping those demographics in line is essential to Democratic victory in the fall, and Klobuchar adds to Biden’s underlying appeal for them.

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Picking someone to his left would allow Trump to attack Biden for being a closet socialist. Selecting Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) would clearly delight many progressives but would then worry suburban moderates. .. Nor does Biden need a person of color on the ticket to increase minority turnout. Biden’s political resurrection was fueled by black voter support. He doesn’t need a black vice president like Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) to spur their excitement. Picking a Latina might theoretically help him with Hispanic voters, but is there a seasoned Hispanic woman who can plausibly reassure voters worried about Biden’s stamina or competence? Picking a Hispanic man such as Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Tex.) or his twin brother, former HUD secretary and presidential candidate Julián Castro, would also create problems with the Democrats’ powerful female contingent. Better off not creating problems when you don’t have to.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/05/look-no-further-vp-joe-biden-it-should-be-amy-klobuchar

[BusyBeingBest]

1. My number one choice!

Disclaimer, I liked her more than Joe for President. Thanks for this.

[LArider]

169. Agreed

Great minds think alike.

[LakeArenal]

2. Agree with you. I love Amy

I love Pete too and he can help in as many ways.

[beachbumbob]

3. biden and the cookie monster would beat trump

Amy doesn;t offer alot to the ticket that a Kamala Harris would, not saying she is a bad choice

[USALiberal]

4. Harris is a much better pick. Nt

[jimfields33]

8. We already have California

With Amy we will pick up those states we need.

[Dem4Life1102]

27. What states that Biden doesn't already appeal to?

[BusyBeingBest]

34. Minnesota liked both Amy and Joe in the primary, why not keep it in our column

with both of them?

[Dem4Life1102]

37. Minnesota voted for Clinton in 08

and current polling shows that it is already leaning Democratic. It is a solid blue state, no help is needed there.

[BusyBeingBest]

39. "Leaning" Dem is not "solid blue". Solid Blue is California. Or Massachusetts.

[Dem4Life1102]

44. It has a Democratic governor

and two Senators. Sounds solid blue to me.

[squirecam]

48. Minnesota was within 2%

It was very close. So yes, we do need help there and in the Midwest.

Follow the 2018 formula and we win this.

[Dem4Life1102]

56. But Democrats still won it

It is a blue state with only 10 electoral votes. Wouldn’t it be better to have someone who can help in a purple state with more votes like Florida?

[squirecam]

62. I'll try this one last time.

Florida is Lucy with the football. Rethug governor. Always close. Always losing it.

The Midwest has Democratic governors outside of Ohio. They can be swayed if we run the campaign we ran on, and won, in 2018.

Amy is going to bring us the midwest moderate women we need to win.

[Dem4Life1102]

71. Obama won Florida twice

So not exactly “Lucy and the football “

And what problems does Biden have with moderate suburban women that Klobuchar will make up for?

[squirecam]

78. It's not problems. It's appeal.

They will be enthusiastic to vote for the ticket if she’s on it. Because of moderate policies, views, etc.

If you put AOC on the ticket, they wouldn’t respond to her. They would run away.

[Dem4Life1102]

95. And why wouldn't Biden appeal to them?

[squirecam]

102. Why wouldn't Biden appeal to AA voters?

Nt

[Dem4Life1102]

106. He does

And you didn’t answer my question. Is there any evidence to suggest that Biden needs help appealing to suburban women?

[Mosby]

115. He needs help switching back women trump voters

As the article explains:

As a woman, she would have distinct appeal to blue-collar women, who are likelier to switch back from Trump than blue-collar men. She also has appeal for educated suburban women, another key Democratic constituency, as a successful lawyer and professional. Keeping those demographics in line is essential to Democratic victory in the fall, and Klobuchar adds to Biden’s underlying appeal for them.

Harris otoh has tons of baggage that will become a constant distraction, and she doesn't have the experience that amy has at the federal level.

[Dem4Life1102]

118. It's not an article

It’s an opinion piece and the author doesn’t cite any data to back up their opinion.

Plus experience is irrelevant. But Harris also comes from a blue state so she doesn’t help on a geographic basis either.

[question everything]

35. Michigan. Perhaps Iowa

[Dem4Life1102]

40. How does Klobuchar bring more appeal in Michigan

than Biden does already?

[squirecam]

52. Biden brings the base

Amy appeals to the moderate suburban women. The women we won in 2018 and need again.

[Dem4Life1102]

60. Polling has shown that Biden is already

winning moderate suburban women.

[question everything]

54. Being a neighbor. Talking about midwestern concerns, language, tone

[Dem4Life1102]

64. Will she bring out African-Americans in Detroit

like Obama did? Or in Virginia? Or North Carolina? Or Philadelphia? Or Florida?

[squirecam]

68. Biden brings the AA vote. Amy brings the women.

That’s why they call it a ticket.

[Dem4Life1102]

74. But will he bring them out like Obama did?

Clinton didn’t.

And what problem does Biden have with women?

[squirecam]

76. Yes Biden will bring out the AA vote.

Moderate suburban women won 2018. They like Amy.

[Dem4Life1102]

77. And they don't like Biden?

[squirecam]

81. AA voters don't like Biden suddenly?

Give me a break.

[Dem4Life1102]

96. No but

can he bring them the way Obama did?

[ehrnst]

98. He's certainly doing way WAY better than Bernie, to the point that Bernie has given up on MS...

So this is the new hurdle for Joe to clear before he can be the Nominee? "Can the candidate bring out the AA vote like Obama did?"

And BTW - Hillary got the Mothers of the Movement endorsement.

[ehrnst]

100. Is that suddenly necessary the minimum metric to support Biden?

He's doing FAR better than Bernie right now on that, to the point where Bernie has written off MS, and the voters there....

[Dem4Life1102]

105. No

Never said it was.

[ehrnst]

109. Then what relevance does that metric have?

[Dem4Life1102]

117. Read the thread

[ehrnst]

120. I did. My question stands. (nt)

[Dem4Life1102]

125. The question is irrelevant

since the discussion is about the general not the primary.

[ehrnst]

133. No, it's relevant. You just can't or don't want to answer.

I get it.

[Dem4Life1102]

138. It is irrelevant

since you asked about Sanders when the whole thread is about beating Trump.

[ehrnst]

141. Nope. Relevant.

[Dem4Life1102]

143. It's not

[ehrnst]

144. It is.

Tag UR it.

[Dem4Life1102]

145. It is not

You’re it

[ehrnst]

146. It is relevant...

[Dem4Life1102]

147. No it's not

[ehrnst]

148. Yes it is.

Tag UR it.

[Dem4Life1102]

149. It is

[ehrnst]

150. Silly...

[Dem4Life1102]

151. Yup

[ehrnst]

152. Tagurit...

[Dem4Life1102]

157. Silly...

[ehrnst]

161. Tagurit

Still not bitin'

[Dem4Life1102]

164. ...

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[ehrnst]

165. TagURit..

[Cha]

158. Very Relevant!

[BlueWI]

160. Actually

the assumption that the African American electorates trend the same everywhere doomed us in 2016. Detroit and Milwaukee in particular were keys to the margin of victory, and there was clearly an enthusiasm gap among black voters in those cities in 2016 vs. 2012. The same approach that works in South Carolina and Alabama doesn't work the same in the Upper Midwest, where the potential black vote is often younger and more alienated.

I think Amy Klobuchar is an excellent senator, but her support among black voters isn't as strong even in Minnesota. These factors should be weighed in building a ticket.

[Dem4Life1102]

162. Exactly

Excellent analysis

[BlueWI]

163. Thx. eom

[radius777]

166. +1. Biden said he would choose a WoC as VP

when he entered the race, so alot of his AA support is contingent on that.

Biden's appeal to PoC is he is viewed as the other half of the Obama/Biden ticket.

In order to keep that appeal he must choose a 'replacement Obama', ie a younger PoC, preferably a woman.

[Liberty Belle]

5. Moderates lost to Trump last time (based on the electoral college vote, the only one that matters)

I don't see why a repeat of history would win.

If Biden is the nominee he absolutely should pick a progressive who is either a woman or person of color.

The bigots will vote for Trump no matter what. Stop pandering to them and start paying attention to the growing progressive base in the party - that's the way to win.

[squirecam]

11. The moderates won us 2018.

They had someone moderate they could support. So your post is way off base.

Amy appeals to the Midwest voters we need. She will make a great VP.

Joe/Amy 2020.

[Demsrule86]

6. Biden sent Klobachar to Michigan...I wonder if this is a signal?

I think she would be a great pick. She gave a hell of a speech on the Monday before super Tuesday and has done well in debates too.

[RDavisJ1]

7. Amy could be Joe's Sarah Palin

Amy has performed almost zero percent with POC. The MN NAACP had called for her immediate suspension from the race. Black people voted for Joe out of faith. If he were to nominate a woman like Amy with no support in the Black community, they would see that as a betrayal. You would potentially leave a lot of Pete supporters feeling very lethargic and uninspired after Amy lied about Pete in the debates with the whole "would rather be watching cartoons" story. There is unity at the moment, but it could be shattered with the wrong pick. Amy is far too contentious to be a good VP pick.

[BusyBeingBest]

12. I'm recalling that Kamala had some similar gripes against her

from her prosecutor days. She did not appear to have enough black support to even carry her through to Iowa. I think she would be a decent choice, compared to other less-experienced names being floated, but I'm not sold on her over Amy as a vote-getter.

[squirecam]

16. Her job isn't to appeal to the base.

It’s a general election for a reason. She brings the moderate suburban women we need. The same way we won 2018. Keep your eye on the ball people.

Joe/Amy 2020.

[BusyBeingBest]

25. Yes. The base will be 100% with us against Trump, we need to keep the

mushy middle.

[Turin_C3PO]

45. Sorry, I disagree.

I don’t think Amy brings in any voters. It should be a progressive WOC, or at least a moderate WOC. People of color are the base of our party and should be represented on the ticket.

[Jersey Devil]

17. This is really over the top

Sarah Palin? Why the gratuitous insult? You certainly could make a case for choosing someone else for veep but Amy is highly intelligent, experienced and a very good speaker.

[BusyBeingBest]

26. I know, that was a real insult. Amy is 1000 times smarter than Palin.

AND she's been very well-vetted.

[RDavisJ1]

29. I'm not calling Amy...

Sarah but Sarah was the cause of McCains collapse and failed run. Yes, Amy is far more intelligent, but in the end, what crashed McCains race? Sarah Palin. If you pick someone with 0% of Black support you run a high risk of tanking your own campaign. That is the analogy.

[BusyBeingBest]

32. I genuinely, sincerely don't believe there are any black people, latinos, etc.

who will be deterred by Amy on the ticket in November.

[squirecam]

38. Exactly

But there are moderate suburban women who will love her.

It’s the 2018 formula, stupid !

[RDavisJ1]

47. Simple.... POC

The Minnesota NAACP demanded that Amy drop her race because of her track record as a prosecutor and one young gentleman in particular who she would not allow him to go to his mother's funeral.

Do you really want to go through a general election having this drudged up in commercials?

POC gave Biden the springboard to Super Tuesday thanks to Jim Clyburn. Amy had almost zero Black turnout at her events in SC and left early without completing tours of a county that was set up for her because she felt it was a lost cause.

Harry Reid had to call out Amy for the way she was treating staffers when he was the Majority Leader of the Senate.

We have to be smart, put our feels away, and look at why and how a VP nod for Biden is going to affect an election. Biden's pick is going to be crucial to his general election as Joe has not committed to a second term if he were elected.

Joe has to be smart about his pick and who could carry a second term. With zero percent support from the AA community, picking Amy could tank his candidacy.

[squirecam]

55. Biden already has AA voters.

And the same tired stories about staff is bs.

The letter also characterizes Klobuchar as a boss who was “there for [staffers] after a loss in the family,” and someone who “pushed [them] to be better professionals and public servants” — two statements that contradict allegations published in the Times that Klobuchar made employees pay back money earned during their paid parental leave in certain situations, and that staffers cried “all the time” over Klobuchar’s treatment of them.

[RDavisJ1]

61. Does truth matter to the GOP?

You're not paying attention. Yes, he has POC, but you don't understand the dynamics. He could blow all that goodwill by picking the wrong VP. Joe has STATED he won't commit to a second term. Why would you pick someone with 0% credibility with POC as your VP who would be running for a second term?

We cannot be short sighted about this and neither can Joe.

We have to get out of our feelings and be smart.

[squirecam]

65. The base isn't going to leave Joe. It's nonsense.

We need to win the 2018 electorate. That’s moderate suburban women.

[RDavisJ1]

69. Again, think past 2020

Joe has not committed to a 2024 run. His VP will be lifting up the mantle. You put in a person who the NAACP and BLM are demanding she drop out as a candidate, what's it going to be like in 2024.

We have to get out of our feelings and be smart. I promise you, Trumps team is.

[squirecam]

75. That stuff has been debunked here many times.

Amy had nothing to do with the trial.

https://www.hennepinattorney.org/news/news/2020/February/myon-burrell-statement

The context is important. This case is being politicized because it first arose when Amy Klobuchar was the Hennepin County Attorney. The case, however, involves the murder of an 11-year old girl, and the person who has been convicted twice of committing that murder. Amy Klobuchar was not the trial attorney on the case. It should not be treated like a political football. This office will continue to focus on the facts and will not let the politics of the moment influence that review of the facts.

It also should be noted that the second trial - the conviction for which Mr. Burrell is now in prison - was obtained by this office after Amy Klobuchar had left this office and with no input from her. So, any complaints should be directed to this office, have nothing to do with Sen. Klobuchar, and it is inappropriate and unfair to try to make them an issue in the current presidential race.

[RDavisJ1]

80. Do you think the GOP cares?

Take it from Pete's campaign what lies, gaslighting, and doubt does to a campaign.

Next thing is that Trump is pushing HARD for the African American community with swag shops and merchandise. If Democrats play tone deaf to the African American community, then it will be over.

Again, we have to get out of our feels and be pragmatic. Why give the Trump camp any ammunition?

[squirecam]

82. So now black voters need swag to Vote?

Nt

[BusyBeingBest]

58. Amy was not nationally known until very, very recently.

"Zero support" could in part be chalked up to that. No one seriously thinks she's an enemy to the black community over one controversial case. Any downsides she has in regard to minority communities could be more than overcome with her potential ability to help Joe draw in and keep the vast mushy middle suburban and working class white vote.

[RDavisJ1]

63. The NAACP disagrees

The NAACP and BLM disagree with you 100%. She's been a senator for how long? Decades? And she's not well known? No one knew Pete and was bombarded with negative stories about POC and he did better than she did.

We have to get out of our feels about this and be smart.

[squirecam]

83. One small group has an issue. And they are wrong on it.

The context is important. This case is being politicized because it first arose when Amy Klobuchar was the Hennepin County Attorney. The case, however, involves the murder of an 11-year old girl, and the person who has been convicted twice of committing that murder. Amy Klobuchar was not the trial attorney on the case. It should not be treated like a political football. This office will continue to focus on the facts and will not let the politics of the moment influence that review of the facts.

It also should be noted that the second trial - the conviction for which Mr. Burrell is now in prison - was obtained by this office after Amy Klobuchar had left this office and with no input from her. So, any complaints should be directed to this office, have nothing to do with Sen. Klobuchar, and it is inappropriate and unfair to try to make them an issue in the current presidential race.

[RDavisJ1]

86. You're missing the point entirely....

I'm not saying Amy is guilty.

Look at what happened to Pete.

He had 76% approval of the POC in SB. Yet, you would think by the coverage and the information that he was a down and out racist.

Biden has not committed to a second term. Do you pick someone that's known and less controversial or not known with a lot of mud that can be slung whether it's true or not. We know Trump doesn't play fair. Insisting that he should wont change the trajectory.

[squirecam]

88. Trump didn't play fair in 2018.

He still lost. Because we appealed to moderate suburban women.

Run a moderate woman on the ticket and we win. Run AOC on the ticket and we lose.

[RDavisJ1]

89. who said anything about AOC?

Stacy Abrams is probably the most likely VP pick at this point. She's definitely no AOC.

[squirecam]

93. She is Not ready to be VP.

Doesn’t have the national experience.

[RDavisJ1]

94. I get it...

You want Amy. That's your choice to feel that way. I've stated why she's not a good choice. The great thing about America, we can disagree.

[squirecam]

103. I've posted on several alternative choices that would be ready.

Nt

[Jersey Devil]

53. I'd love to see Amy as veep

Intelligent, qualified, experienced and ready to step in are qualifications for a veep I think are extremely important for a veep choice for a 77 year old president. Amy would be a terrific choice in my opinion.

[RDavisJ1]

66. The NAACP and BLM disagrees

Amy only drew white people to her SC events. She placed last with POC. Take some time to understand the Black community. The same community that boosted Joe on a path to defeat Sanders and Trump.

[squirecam]

85. Joe won with a coalition

Nt.

[squirecam]

33. Palin crashed the ticket

because she excited their base, but absolutely was not ready to actually be president, which is the first requirement of the job.

[LakeArenal]

126. First you connect Amy to Palin

Then you claim you didn’t connect her to Palin. Come on....

Don’t hurl a bomb then not claim it.

[RDavisJ1]

129. SMH

If you can't see that I'm comparing hurting Joe's chances of winning the nomination and you want to insist I'm talking about her intelligence, that's on you.

Amy would hurt Joe Biden's ticket and that's what I'm talking about.

[LakeArenal]

132. Sure. I'm not the one who threw Palin into the mix.

That’s on you.

[RDavisJ1]

134. KHive, NAACP, BLM, Anti LGBT money....

If you can't see that Amy poses a problem for a Biden ticket I can't help you.

I'm a Pete supporter and would say the same thing about Pete.

The goal is to beat Trump. Not satisfy feelings personal feelings.

Insisting it has to be a white lady from the midwest for the women vote is disingenuous. The VP will be a person of color and a woman. It needs to be. The Democratic party almost burned to the ground and gave Sanders a win.

[LakeArenal]

135. Okay, we get it. You don't like Amy.

Geez.

[RDavisJ1]

154. Did you see where I am a Pete supporter and said..

I would say the same thing about him! This isn't about being emotional. It's about being logical and thinking about not just 2020 but also 2022.

[LakeArenal]

155. Why try so hard to convince me?

I’m just one opinion in the whole world.

[radius777]

140. +1. Many white folks just don't get it.

PoC (especially older PoC) voted for Joe out of pragmatism and loyalty to Obama, etc.

PoC fully expect him to choose a VP of color, especially a woman, as many women are still hurt by what happened to Hillary.

It's 2020. We can't live in a country where both major parties are controlled by white concerns, where the top faces are all white, etc.

[LanternWaste]

168. It does not follow. Your personal inferences are not absolutes.

Analogies fail miserably when they area non-sequitur rather than an actual analogy.

(each has a specific definition. Yours fell within the parameters of a non-sequitur, not an analogy)

[question everything]

41. And from a newbie on these pages

[RDavisJ1]

72. And?

What does that have to do with anything? New people aren't allowed to discover DU and comment?

[question everything]

110. Amy Klobuchar has been liked on these pages

No, not to head the ticket but certainly as the second.

No one expects you to read all the new posts to realize it, but just from the start to compare her to Palin is a bit too much.

You may want to start with general comments and not about others.

[RDavisJ1]

111. Not in the pretext I did, here's why

I never said Amy was politically inept like Sarah.

Though I have the belief that Amy could sink Biden's ticket like Palin did to McCain.

Amy created a lot of bad feelings with Pete supporters with her lies.

She has even less recognition than Pete did with POC.

POC elevated Biden and to turn his back on POC would be a massive mistake when every vote is needed in the fall.

You may not like my thoughts, that's fine. But I thought being a Democrat meant we didn't have to have group think like the GOP.

[question everything]

112. As mentioned here repeatedly

Biden bring the POC, Klobuchar will bring the Midwest and the younger, college educated suburban women.

[RDavisJ1]

114. We'll have to agree...

To disagree. You've not paid attention to Khive or what's happened in SC if you think that's a winning combination.

[Baked Potato]

46. I don't agree,

As soon as Joe picks a VP, that person will be supported by EVERY Democrat. The unity will not be shattered under any circumstance.

[cwydro]

119. You're comparing Amy Klobuchar to Sarah Palin?

Seriously?

[radius777]

139. Agree. Joe has already said he would choose a WoC,

and alot of PoC vote for him is based on that. It would be a disgrace, in 2020, to have a Dem ticket without color.

Agree about Amy - she's just not a good candidate. She's from the Midwest and did poorly in Iowa. I don't see that she has appeal to any particular group.

A pick such as Kamala would also get the soccer moms that Amy would get, while adding color to the ticket, and possibly helping us in the Sunbelt states like AZ and GA that have large nonwhite voting populations.

[Frustratedlady]

9. I watched Amy closely and think she has enough "street fight" to withstand anything Trump could dish

out. Besides, I think he is terrified of women. I know that sounds strange, (after all the women who accused him of rape) but he doesn't come back on strong women. With all that Rachel has handed him, I've rarely (if ever) heard him mention her name.

I think the two of them would get along just fine and Joe would feel comfortable with Amy.

[BusyBeingBest]

18. Exactly. Amy is a bit of a street fighter, I think people underestimated and ignored her

and didn't appreciate that until the voting started. Joe and Amy seem very compatible, personality wise, as well. Kamala and Joe...did not hit it off, at least not in the debates, LOL.

[floppyboo]

10. Amy, like Kaine, would sink any chances of winning.

If you want an even lower enthusiastic turnout than 16 ...

Disaster!

You'd need someone at least a little attractive to the left. Sheila Lee Jackson?(TX)

[BusyBeingBest]

15. Tim Kaine didn't sink Hillary. He didn't help much, but he didn't sink her.

[empedocles]

19. Need to look at the Progressive record in the 2020 primaries. Awful.

[squirecam]

104. Run the 2018 playbook and we win.

Nt

[Celerity]

22. It is Sheila Jackson Lee and

The two politicians (Klobuchar and Lee) considered 2 of the worst bosses in Congress

[squirecam]

31. Wrong. It was a hit piece.

See what the staff actually thinks.

https://www.thecut.com/2019/02/former-staffers-defend-amy-klobuchar-in-open-letter.html

“We previously worked for Senator Klobuchar, and some of us were among the former staffers contacted by the New York Times and other media outlets to share our experiences about working in her office,” the letter reads. “We do not believe these reports adequately describe our thoughts on Amy Klobuchar, many of which we shared with the authors.”

The letter also characterizes Klobuchar as a boss who was “there for [staffers] after a loss in the family,” and someone who “pushed [them] to be better professionals and public servants” — two statements that contradict allegations published in the Times that Klobuchar made employees pay back money earned during their paid parental leave in certain situations, and that staffers cried “all the time” over Klobuchar’s treatment of them.

[Celerity]

50. some defend, some don't, and like i said, pass, for a number of reasons

[ehrnst]

84. Well... there is one more...

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/anger-management-sanders-fights-for-employees-except-his-own/Content?oid=2834657

[Celerity]

90. yep, and those 3 are so not the only ones nt

[pnwmom]

87. Are we going to somehow put back into place the 1965 Voting Rights Act

that the Supreme Court dismantled the year after Obama's re-election? Which allowed for massive voter suppression across the states, including in the key states Hillary lost?

Even with that, Hillary only had 70K fewer votes than Obama in 2012.

[Cha]

159. What are you talking about, floppyboo? Hillary got 66 Million

VOTES/

[left-of-center2012]

13. No

Just no

[Celerity]

14. Pass. She will be Kaine 2.0 Do we never learn? The author, Henry Olsen, is a RW Rethug asshole btw

https://radio.foxnews.com/2019/03/22/henry-olsen/

[squirecam]

21. The base isn't going to win us this election.

You need appeal to THE SAME WOMEN we won in 2018. That’s who Amy will get for us in the Midwest.

[Celerity]

24. pass, there are far better candidates

[BusyBeingBest]

30. Then Amy could help Joe appeal to people who might drift towards the Orange Doofus.

[question everything]

51. Killing the messenger? Why not debate the merits?

And, yes, Klobuchar has earned praises from many conservative sources. Should be a plus, don't you think?

[Celerity]

57. I have laid out my issues with her many times, and this is not killing the messenger, it is

exposing a Rethug trying to give our party advice.

I will vote (obviously) for whatever the ticket is, but Klobuchar is down my list a fair amount for VP.

Kaine 2.0 IMHO

pass, next

[question everything]

99. Until Kaine was picked, most voters have never heard of him

You cannot say the same thing about Klobuchar - yes, warts and all

[Bettie]

124. This is where I am too

but I'll vote for whoever.

Potato/Turnip 2020 would get my vote over Trump.

And why are people so eager to trust Republicans for advice when they couldn't stop the literal worst person in the world from taking over their party?

[Celerity]

137. a very good question indeed

[squirecam]

59. That's what a general election is.

Appeal to the middle.

Joe/Amy 2020.

[bucolic_frolic]

20. Been saying it for over a year.

Midwestern strategy, geographic balance. You don't get that with Sen. Harris. California is blue already.

[squirecam]

23. Right

Keep your eye on the ball people.

We need the midwest. Amy brings us those suburban women.

[Freddie]

28. Yes!!

She was my first choice for POTUS. She’d bring in the Midwest and be in a great position to run herself (as a much more known candidate) when the time comes.

[Turin_C3PO]

36. I disagree,

I think we owe it to POC to have one on the ticket. A black woman, probably. It wouldn’t hurt if they were progressive. I’m thinking Kamala Harris.

[squirecam]

43. Biden already appeals to the base.

It’s a general electorate that we need and that Amy appeals to.

Follow the 2018 formula and we win this.

[LongtimeAZDem]

97. "Owing" anybody anything should not be a factor in this election

[Mme. Defarge]

42. This argument really resonates with me.

[BusyBeingBest]

49. One more point--also totally agree with the Clinton-Gore comparison.

Those two guys were extremely compatible together, saw things the same way, were a great partnership.

[cloudbase]

67. Beto O'Rourke

He would put Texas and its 36 electoral votes into play. The name of the game is harvesting those EVs.
He's an indefatigable campaigner.
He'll bring along plenty of the younger voters who might waffle over their choices.
No incumbent seat to lose with him on board.

[TexasTowelie]

79. Exactly.

Beto also might put Arizona into play.

We already know that Beto gets on Trump's nerves more than Klobuchar and he has more charisma than her too. Beto will be able to get into the muck while Biden can stay above the fray.

[Awsi Dooger]

107. I like both but slightly prefer Beto to Amy

For all the reasons mentioned plus the Spanish language aspect

[Turin_C3PO]

167. We have to have a woman.

It can’t be two white men on the ticket.

[ElementaryPenguin]

108. I've thought about Beto also - if we snagged Texas it's basically over for Pres. Dickhead

[mr_lebowski]

130. I'd be down with Beto as well ...

I'm not anti-Amy as the choice, but Beto would excite me more, personally.

I'm also very much cool with Mayor Pete.

My first choice is still Liz, but I can see the calculus where she or Pete wouldn't help the ticket as much as someone like Amy or Beto.

[spicysista]

70. I'm not sure about this being a winning ticket....

I think we need a bit more electricity, don't you think? Maybe, Stacey Abrams, Harris, Beto, or Gillum. I think Amy is a fantastic senator and would be a plus to any administration. However, I fear she'll read a bit like Tim Kaine (another awesome democrat) on the campaign trail.

[squirecam]

92. Harris qualifies as she can be VP day 1.

The others haven’t won a statewide race. They need more experience and proof they can deliver a state or region.

If you need a Latina...

https://www.governor.state.nm.us/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Cortez_Masto

[kcr]

172. I agree. Worse than Tim Kaine

He cannot choose the candidate who wants to change nothing and seems to say no to everything. It doesn't have to be someone like Warren, but he still needs to go with someone more change-oriented in their platform. Especially after the devastation of Covid-19.

[obamanut2012]

73. I like Amy, she was my #2 after Harris dropped out (after Warren)

Midwesterner, too.

[MD shmoo]

91. Klobuchar is perfectly qualified

I'll leave to others to debate whether she's a good choice from a political / general election POV. The VP pick seems overrated from a election standpoint but considering Joe's age the VP might be heir-apparent, perhaps even in the first term. Most of the top 10 or so candidates no longer running offer at least something to a potential Biden ticket and it seems hard to single one out as being especially useful.

[Runningdawg]

101. ANY ticket can beat Trump - it's in the hands of the voters. Divided we fall.

[Mosby]

113. I think this analysis is spot on.

[alarimer]

116. No way.

It has to be someone more progressive than him or at least a person of color.

[Bettie]

121. It is a great way to signal

that progressives are not welcome in the party.

[squirecam]

123. Amy is progressive.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?topic=&house=senate&sort=overall-current&order=down&party=

She also was rated the most effective Democratic Senator.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9CWtprWNenI4AlMfBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTEycGhuNjRiBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjg2OTJfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1583619562/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.klobuchar.senate.gov%2fpublic%2findex.cfm%2f2019%2f3%2fstudy-klobuchar-most-effective-democratic-senator-in-congress/RK=2/RS=gDteXYsZfsBuVO_QxkWcI8H1NRs-

[tavernier]

122. I said Kamala all along, but when she didn't endorse him

I started to rethink it. I noticed quite a bit of negativity toward Joe during the debates, and with the mess that he’ll be walking into, he will need strong support at his side. Amy might be the better choice.

[samnsara]

127. we have so many talented women who could fill the bill...

..i would be happy with any . I love Amy...and Val Demings is a force to be reckoned with...and shes been on tv a lot lately. I think shes interviewing ...and Florida coming up!

[underpants]

128. Who gives a rip about which part of the party you are? It's about TURNOUT people

It has to be Abrams or Kamala or a woman of color.

[question everything]

136. As stated above, Biden has shown us that he appeals to people of color

[jmowreader]

142. Amy is a good choice from a long-range strategic POV

The governor of Minnesota is Democratic-Farmer-Laborer. (That's what we're called in Minnesota.) We have got to consider whether anyone who comes to work for President Biden could be replaced by a Republican. Consider what happened in Arizona after President Obama elevated Janet Napolitano to be Secretary of Homeland Security: the dangerous Jan Brewer became governor in her stead.

Fortunately, Amy isn't just a "safety choice" - she'd be a good president in her own right, and she's only 60 years old so she'd be young enough to be elected president after Biden's two terms.

[YOHABLO]

153. Terrible choice if true. Going after Republican Never-Trumpers perhaps?

[Funtatlaguy]

156. Biden needs a young western female Hispanic as Veep.

[kcr]

170. Horrible choice

I really hope he's not considering it.

[Celerity]

171. +1000

[TreasonousBastard]

173. Why? She's been a top vote getter in her state and a very effective Senator...

She knows how to get things done and could be great help navigating Congress to get things through.

[kcr]

174. That may be. But her campaign was terrible.

It didn't show any of those things you said. It gave the impression she would block anything ever proposed because "We just can't do that. One size doesn't fit all, you know. America hates change!" Then you have her record as prosecutor on top of that and she'll never get the AA vote. ETA to clarify I think Biden will get the AA vote anyway, but it won't be because of Klobuchar.

[question everything]

175. How sad that on these pages we get a dismissal because one is too lazy to search

No, you don't need to google. Just go to her page.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1300&page=2

Start with

In a five-year period from 2014 to 2018, according to GovTrack.us, Sen. Klobuchar’s allegedly browbeaten staff helped her co-sponsor 1,967 bills—more than any other senator except Connecticut’s Richard Blumenthal. Another study, conducted in 2016, ranked her No. 1 in the Senate in lending her name to bills that were enacted into law. Perhaps her former staffers wouldn’t have become so disgruntled if they’d gotten more sleep.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13001

Go to her infrastructure proposal that is not relying on the vague "taxing the rich"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13006

https://www.democraticunderground.com/130031

Her support for a bipartisan appeal

https://www.democraticunderground.com/130022

And more.

And yes, the only one honestly saying that all the freebies offered by Sanders and by Warren are unrealistic. Even Warrne and Harris dropped the Medicare for All. Last I checked, they did but as of March 17, who knows?

She will deliver the Midwest that is tired of the coasties.