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w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:00 AM Jun 2016

xpost of gd's: "The people who complain about their taxes getting stuff for poor people"


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The people who complain about their taxes getting stuff for poor people - Democratic Underground
From: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027874722
By: DonCoquixote (10,801 posts)

The people who complain about their taxes getting stuff for poor people
Are very often the same people who do not complain when some Multi-Millionaire shovels money into a tax shelter so that they can buy a fifth house

are the same people who do not realize that if it was not for stuff bought with taxes: the roads, the public schools, Medicare, etc, that the economy would be pathetic, and that their cushy job would very likely not be there.

are the same people that would be the first to get killed off if they were ever dropped into the libertarian paradises they praise

and finally,

they are the ones who are the parasites, who want the benefits of being American, something that thousands of people literally die in order to get, but do not want to pay one red cent towards them.
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xpost of gd's: "The people who complain about their taxes getting stuff for poor people" (Original Post) w0nderer Jun 2016 OP
It appears I am not the only one deeply pissed off and irritated by "rich 'splainin'" Dragonfli Jun 2016 #1
Well put! Snarkoleptic Jun 2016 #2
and a lot of other choices w0nderer Jun 2016 #4
Make this entry in working poor 'main' thread and title it 'poorsplaining' and i'll make it sticky w0nderer Jun 2016 #3
Sure, I'll do that for you, but the truth is I am being run off the site (long but true story) Dragonfli Jun 2016 #5
Thanks....pinned w0nderer Jun 2016 #6

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
1. It appears I am not the only one deeply pissed off and irritated by "rich 'splainin'"
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:44 AM
Jun 2016

I often resist the urge to poorsplain to the obviously financially secure posters here that keep telling us how well we are all doing, how we are in recovery, how we are on the right track.

What about access to not worrying about your electricity being cut off because you are juggling bills?
What about access to a dignified, well-funded mass transit system?
What about access to education and opportunity?


Are questions I ask on a daily basis, and what might shock some of the cheerleaders here is that those are the most common thoughts to enter the minds of the average American in this day and age, yes, I said average, but it really is more like the majority of Americans. The majority of us have been left behind in an economy where we lose more each day as the well to do gain more each day, what makes matters worse is that we no longer appear to have much in the way of representation no matter how we vote.

I would give what little remains of my life for a party of the people, a labor party, a party that is concerned about the rising and rampant poverty all around the insulated bubbles of the few remaining middle class members that love to tell me how great we are doing, how progressive our party is, how our leaders "feel our pain".

I would poorsplain to them what the true reality is as a party that once represented the people has for the past thirty years abandoned us to decay as a people as completely as they have abandoned the crumbling bridges roads and empty factories that once were the life blood of a people first marginalized, then ignored, and now completely invisible. - it is as if the majority of Americans do not exist.

I would do this splainin' but such is condescension and anger does not translate well as condescension but rather rage repressed becomes expressed, and this insulated bubble of cheerleading "sports team" enthusiasts that do not have the worries of the common man are quite fragile and easily offended, they would ban me from this site were I to attempt to poorsplain to them the nature of the reality of the suffering all around them they are blind to as my condescension would turn to rage before the first paragraph were completed.

You see, it is not just the rich that keep 'splainin to us "how we need to be" to not be struggling and losing, but also those that carry their water from the insulated middle class that are the only ones spoken to by our representatives, the house servants to the rich that exist within our party that are skeeved out by a class they fear they will one day join if they don't ally themselves to the rich splaining servants of the upper crust that call themselves representatives to the people.

If any of them truly cared about anyone but themselves, if any of them cared about most of their fellow citizens, they would not cheer on and idolize those that have shaped a party that once served the people into a golem fit only to further enrich the already rich using nothing more than soft rhetoric and broken promises to the middle class that carry their water while ignoring the rest, the majority, the struggling .... the invisible that are losing or have lost everything to policies chosen by those that they swoon over and adore as if they were teenagers smitten by a heart throb.

There are exceptions within these insulated bubbles of middleclassdom that do see us and do see with deeper insight how their class too shall fall to the greed of the wealthy that own our representatives, there are exceptions as well within our representative bodies that can see the invisible majority, they are the ones that have my respect as advocates that show true empathy and disgust at the indefensible state we find ourselves in and who would, like statesmen of a time now past, attempt to effect change that will perhaps not make the majority wealthy, but at least comfortable enough to survive without the constant dread of becoming homeless and dead. But alas, they need no one to explain to them because they already have eyes to see.

To the rest, you are cowards or complicit idiots that perhaps feel you will one day rise above your middle class status to trample us beneath your feet like the heroes you idolize that have brought this country to a state where an economic recovery is now defined as the rich gaining much more of the monetary resources they will never need or likely spend while the majority fall further into poverty. House servants are what they are, and could only maybe learn from working in the fields for a bowl of gruel and a hope that the next day they will be able to break their backs yet again for yet one more bowl, one more day alive. I do not respect such individuals and attempts to 'poorsplain to them would more likely result in a lynch mob directed towards me than a change of mind or heart.

This is a bad day today (as perhaps evidenced by my lengthy rambling response), one more acquaintance went homeless today and we are all of us trying to help around here but with little success save temporary floor accommodations and calls to the mostly ineffective representatives that work within a tattered and barely existent safety net apparatus ravaged a few decades ago with bi-partisan support and a well adored sports team favorite named Clinton.

Snarkoleptic

(6,024 posts)
2. Well put!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:58 AM
Jun 2016

I must also point out that there is an entire industry preying on the working poor.
Payday lenders (who have a friend in Debbie Wasserman Schultz, auto title lenders, NSF fees, late charges/penalties.

Add to that the fact that those of lesser means are often forced to make "stupid" decisions and lose out on economies of scale.
Making minimum payments on credit cards, calling in sick the day before payday when there's no way to get to work, skipping work networking events due to lack of funds, declining invitations to birthday/graduation parties to avoid purchasing a gift, buying a 3# bag of dog food instead of the so-much-cheaper per # larger bag, eating cheap & unhealthy fast food when grocery shopping is not in the budget.


w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
4. and a lot of other choices
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:45 AM
Jun 2016

you mention not able to buy larger cheaper per...bags

a lot of more 'well off' don't see other reasons for that, like
not able to buy when things are on sales (money..or storage lack)
not able to buy large packs..same reason
not able to go long distances (not everyone has a car)...with cargo (hauling a large amount of food in 1 go, walking or bicycling is difficult)



w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
3. Make this entry in working poor 'main' thread and title it 'poorsplaining' and i'll make it sticky
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jun 2016

that's a good read
frustrated, pissed off, but good

and just in case i haven't welcomed you...welcome to the group

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
5. Sure, I'll do that for you, but the truth is I am being run off the site (long but true story)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jun 2016

I'd be happy to leave this for you to pin. It would be a great post before they officially put me on permanent "24 hour review" or outright PPR me. Most of my posts are alerted on, I have received snail mail to my home address telling me my days are numbered, so it will be my last post for months so as to not give them that excuse. Is that cool?

OK, posted in the working poor group with the suggested title.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
6. Thanks....pinned
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:32 AM
Jun 2016

yeah i've noticed you are being a hounded

some of the hides(on you) don't even make the pretense of fairness

most of the times i've 'read you' i've seen cool stuff but the climate here is a bit ...hostile ...especially if one supports poor, working poor and similar

sounds like an idea (taking a hiatus to let the hides expire and remove their excuse)
sad that it needs to be done though
hope you contacted admin (skinner or elad or so) with info about the snail mail and other things
emailing them a police report of the snailmail threat ...probably could put a blowfly up their......umm yes


thanks again

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