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Great article
Recently, Williams has been accused of using steroids by David Frum, an editor at The Atlantic, and used by The New York Times to spark a conversation on body image among top female tennis players. In the past, sports writer Jason Whitlock has piled on with comments like: "I am not fundamentally opposed to junk in the trunk, although my preference is a stuffed onion over an oozing pumpkin" in referring to Williams' derriere.
While we should be celebrating Williams' sixth Wimbledon championship and her 21st grand slam title, instead we are forced to ponder what is too masculine for women, especially female athletes. In this, one of the world's greatest athletes offers insight into how women navigate beauty norms, especially when the skin they're in is not the feminine default.
The truth is many girls and women of color have been ostracized and denied opportunity and access because of a perception they are further away from the dominant beauty ideal. These themes are being tackled head on in "Advantageous," a recently released science-fiction movie streamed on Netflix. The movie focuses particularly on age, and the constant pursuit of women to look younger. Teen girls of all races are susceptible to this critique, too, as illustrated by The Body Project, where Joan Jacobs Brumberg shows how adolescent girls' bodies have become projects.
http://womensenews.org/story/athleticssports/150717/serena-champion-stop-talking-about-her-body
onecaliberal
(35,643 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)he doesnt deserve the right to speak her name.
So right you are!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)She's big and strong, with real muscles. They do this a lot with female athletes, expecting them to be good at the sport, and look feminine and cutesy at the same time. It rarely happens with men, but its funny when it does. Years ago, Peggy Fleming was doing commentary on a men's figure skating competition, and there was this one guy who was really buffed. His dad owned a Gold's Gym, and he spent some time there, and it showed. Poor Peggy could not contain herself, making all sorts of comments about how this guy had the best body on the ice, etc. We can laugh at that, because boys and men don't have nearly the same problems as girls and women when it comes to being judged by their looks.
ismnotwasm
(42,433 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)to realize there's a wee bit of a double standard going on.
niyad
(119,489 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)jalan48
(14,326 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)OK, I lied: Some of the body shaming of athletic black women is definitely a racist rejection of black womens bodies that dont conform to the traditional body shapes of white athletes and dancers. No one questions the beauty of black actresses such as Kerry Washington (Scandal) or Lupita Nyongo (12 Years a Slave) because they fit the lithe image perpetuated by womens fashion magazines. The body shaming of Williams and Copeland is partly because they dont fit the Western ideal of femininity. But another cause is our disrespectful ideal of the feminine body in general.
The bigger issue here is the public pressure regarding femininity, especially among our athletes. Its a misogynist idea that is detrimental to professional women athletes and to all the young girls who look up to these women as role models because it can stifle their drive to excellence, not only on the playing field, but in other aspects of life.
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This beauty standard translates in sports to women being more concerned with a marketable image than athletic ability. Tennis pro Agnieszka Radwanska is 5 feet 8 but only 123 pounds. This is a conscious decision by her coach to keep her as the smallest player in the top 10, he told the New York Times. Because, first of all shes a woman, and she wants to be a woman. Tennis pro Andrea Petkovic, ranked 14th, said she hated seeing photos of her bulging arms whenever she hit a two-handed backhands. I just feel unfeminine, she said. I dont know its probably that Im self-conscious about what people might say. Its stupid, but its insecurities that every woman has, I think I would love to be a confident player that is proud of her body. Women, when we grow up weve been judged more, our physicality is judged more, and it makes us self-conscious.
This reluctance to push themselves physically because they reduce their marketability as women results in some women athletes never striving to be the fully realized athletes they could be. This same mentality of holding back to fit the social mold of a lady makes women less competitive in the job marketplace, too.
Sharapova, at 6 feet 2 and 130 pounds (Williams is 5 feet 9 and weighs 150 pounds), admits that that she wishes she could be even thinner: I always want to be skinnier with less cellulite; I think thats every girls wish. (Is it? Should it be?) She says she does no weight training. I cant handle lifting more than five pounds. Its just annoying, and its just too much hard work. And for my sport, I just feel like its unnecessary. Yet shes been beaten 17 times in a row by someone who has added that muscle necessary to excel. Does she want to be the highest-paid female athlete or the best one?
Alfalfa
(161 posts)Naturally, people are going to ask questions. I don't think this is something we can blame on "beauty standards".
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:58 PM - Edit history (1)
What kind of questions?
Can you give me some specifics on what questions would be "natural" to ask about her body? Do you have questions? And in your response, can you please explain what you mean by this is not something we can blame on "beauty standards"? What reasons then would anyone have to question anything about her body? And again, if this is not something based on "beauty standards", then why would you find muscular "unusual"? There are plenty of muscular women in this world.
Thank you for answering in advance.
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JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Just as well. This site doesn't seem to be a good fit for you.
marble falls
(61,994 posts)and just generally kick their butt.
Serena Williams is a successful, well adjusted world class athlete. Frum is a frustrated writer who's trying to gin controversy by casting aspersions and claiming he's just starting a conversation.
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