ism, teach me how to ignore trolls (HOF THREAD)

[redqueen]

So much time wasted. Ugh.

[shenmue]

1. I can't do it either

Sigh.

[redqueen]

2. There are some names that I should see

and just know better.

Sadly I often end up wasting time in what was never going to be an honest discussion.

Sigh, indeed.

[freshwest]

30. Remember what day it is at DU:

I don't know what happened out there, but don't let them bait you.

[redqueen]

3. I just hope to Goddess it's usually an act.

Because it is seriously fucking depressing to think that people here really do care so very little.

But then we're back to the rant about anti-feminist trolls on DU.

[littlemissmartypants]

4. I want names.

Let's hack them.

[theHandpuppet]

5. DU is getting less woman-friendly every day

Actually, I put that much too mildly. It is actively hostile to women.

[DonCoquixote]

7. and frankly we can chalk that up to

the fact that MRAs were given a dog bone in the form of that site whcih rhymes with "productionist." I really really try to think that Skinner thought the crap could be contained, but honestly, we all know better. They get over there, plan, and wait for the chance to pick off people they do not like like seabeyond.

[theHandpuppet]

11. To be honest, I think it's gotten worse

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That other forum only serves as their off-site support system, which has emboldened them.

[hlthe2b]

15. Indeed... I find what is posted there even worse than the CC and other anti-DU websites.

NO one seems to alert over there, either.

[F4lconF16]

8. I would self delete, but I'd rather leave my posts to stand.

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Originally posted a couple things I've seen in the last week. HOF is supposed to be a safe-haven from all that crap, and I changed my mind about posting it.

Part of what I said: I couldn't agree with you more. Actively hostile to women is a sadly accurate term. There's a lot of stuff that I see that I can't believe isn't against the TOS (unless I'm reading it wrong?).

What always gets me, though, isn't the idiots making the comments. I figure I'm going to see them almost anywhere on the internet--there's only so many places that can really be free of them. What surprises me is the generally widespread support for them. I really thought when I joined this site that it would be less of a problem here. I know there's all sorts of misogyny among members of the democratic party, but I would think that it would be less well supported by others on a supposedly progressive site.

If anybody wants to see the original post, just click the permalink button and scroll down in case the "This post was edited" thing doesn't show up.

[redqueen]

18. "What surprises me is the generally widespread support for them"

Yep. And that doesn't seem to be changing.

I noticed it years ago, and put that MLK quote in my sig.

[ismnotwasm]

19. I just alerted on a post

Basically saying prostitutes were "too lazy" to get a regular job. MIRT got him so he's gone but here are the jury results. For the most part-- very supportive, but oh that juror number 7

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert

On Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:16 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

It's just as free
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5363339

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

This is disgusting. Period.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:27 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I have never heard of anyone who becomes a prostitute just to avoid "getting a real job" I agree with the alerter... this is disgusting.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I rather see someone debate this idiocy so I will let it stand
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: this 'it's preferable to getting a real job and actually working for a living' identifies poster as a complete jerk
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disgusting is too kind of a description for this post
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's an opinion. That is what discussion forums are for, not to erase every opinion we don't like, but to argue against it with facts if we have them.

Thank you.

[redqueen]

21. Trolls really seem to love these topics.

And some practically lose their minds at the prospect of the Nordic model spreading even further, posting ever more ridiculously logic-free brain farts as OPs...

[BainsBane]

25. But they support women's rights!

Okay, so that doesn't mean actually viewing sex workers as human beings, but a woman's right to be sexually available to men is paramount!

[BainsBane]

24. You thought this was a progressive/liberal site

and that liberalism meant concerns about social justice and equal rights. Yep, I had similar reactions when I first joined. I couldn't believe what I was seeing from people who claimed to be liberals. That they dress up their entitlement in sanctimony makes it all the more unpalatable.

I was a member of DU in the early 2000s, and this sort of stuff did not go on.

[redqueen]

17. It definitely is, and I'm sick of it. nt

[ismnotwasm]

6. Trash thread

If there were productive, interesting conversations to be had, I'd be right there. What we have here is a "bait the feminist" contingent that never stops.

I see a thread I know is going to be trouble-- I trash it. I have no interest in a "debate" with idiots, but I most emphatically DO have an interest in debates with people who care, who are interesting, who have experience. If you use trash thread, that brings up threads that have been dropped-- ones that might actually be interesting. This is why the only person I have on ignore is a hysterical prolific poster, who thinks their sarcastic political anti-Obama OP's are cute.

I have a good friend who is a sex positive, bi-sexual feminist Libertarian. (the libertarian part -Ick)It's amazing the common ground we find. She knows my stance and my beliefs and I know hers. I was very proud of her at the pride parade wearing body paint. The actual ideology is NOT the same, but the spirit is.

Anyway if I don't trash immediately, I'll post my stance, which interestingly enough doesn't get much in the way of responses. I'm also trained to reflect: "why do you feel that way?" That either shuts people up or opens a conversation. I want to know why do you feel that way. And/or "is there a possibility that all factors have not been considered in this opinion? Reflective listening is a great technique either people will stop bullshitting and start thinking, or they'll derail the conversation-- because they got nothin'

Or "what an interesting point of view" although this is usually sarcastic.

[BainsBane]

9. There is a thoughtful OP going in GD right now

which predictably is being ignored. I fear I may have given it the kiss of death by expressing my approval.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025362330

I don't agree with everything in it, but I like that the OP took time to examine the issue thoughtfully.

[ismnotwasm]

10. I replied to that-- that's what I'm talking about

A decent, thoughtful thread . That thread will sink, while the one I just trashed--Libertarian "it's my body" bullshit without any nuance whatsoever, will get tons of replies

[CTyankee]

13. This is a "quality of debate" issue, isn't it?

Relentless promotion of a poor quality of debate is a problem in other issues I care about, e.g. gun control. Poor quality threads thrive and good quality sinks.

[ismnotwasm]

16. I think so

Why waste time with people who are crazed, trolls, just want to attract attention, or who don't or won't look at different sides of issues. A simple "I understand what you're saying but this is how I feel on this issue" would make debate easier. I have my own hard lines, such as choice, and I cringe every time I see an anti-choice position on DU. It's like arguing with a creationist, since the anti-choice position is an emotional one, not a scientific one, so in those cases there not much to argue with.

Instead you have name calling (the one I find the funniest is "The purity police" what are we around here-- 13 years old?)

I look at threads, I see the sarcasm, the lack of information, or the deliberate ignoring of information, ad hominem arguments-- sometimes so convoluted they make no sense. And it's so easy to get caught up into it, it IS a little cathartic, but gets nowhere as far as making actual points.

[redqueen]

22. Yes, mentally it seems that many are stuck at around 13 years old.

And yes, trying to interact with them is just a waste of time.

[etherealtruth]

20. I come around less and less ....

Post less and less.

I try to "rec" good/ informative threads when I can .... or I try to "rec" threads that I would have otherwise posted in to give many "OP's" a sense that their post was read and appreciated.

[redqueen]

23. I need to do the same.

But someone wanted to start claiming prostitution is awesome and should be legal, so I had to get involved.

[etherealtruth]

27. I truly respect your tirelessness and tenacity

... and that of the others that have the strength and fortitude to fight the good fight over and over.

[Warpy]

26. Make one reasoned response and trash the thread

until you're good enough at it to walk away.

I've been doing it in Health for years.

[MadrasT]

29. Yep.

Once and done.

[el_bryanto]

28. If only the trolls would stay under the bridges where they belong. nt