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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 05:40 AM Jun 2014

Universities Keep Failing to Actually Punish Rapists


http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/314-18/24216-universities-keep-failing-to-actually-punish-rapists

This week, two universities at opposite sides of the country announced incredibly lenient punishments for male students found guilty of sexual assault: one at Stanford will have his degree withheld for two years, and another at Brandeis will simply need to attend “sensitivity training.”

The Stanford case, in which the accused male student who claims to have “sexsomnia” (a supposed sleep disorder that he said makes him sexually aggressive while sleeping) was found to have taken advantage of fellow student Leah Francis, has led to wide protests on the Stanford campus. At a rally on June 5, students demanded mandatory expulsion for students who are found guilty of sexual assault and an expansion of services for victims. Though Francis has appealed Stanford University administrators’ decision, the administration reportedly responded that her attacker was not a threat to the campus.

“That makes no sense,” Stanford law professor Michele Dauber told San Jose Mercury News. “A student who is responsible for sexual assault by force is a danger to the Stanford community by definition.”

In the Brandeis case, rising senior and reported victim Joseph Babeu got a letter from the university saying that although the person he accused was indeed guilty of sexual assault, harassment and inflicting physical harm, the assaulter would get off with a warning and just have to go to “sensitivity training” classes.

“Honestly, I thought it was a joke,” Babeu told the Huffington Post. “Did they send me the wrong letter? I read the charges and almost nothing was happening — just a slap on the wrist.”

A petition this year at Brandeis calling for the establishment of a rape crisis center and a crisis response counselor got 2,600 signatures, but even though the administration says it is committed to “fairness, integrity, and proportionality” in combating sexual violence, three of the five students found guilty of sexual assault in 2013 were not expelled.
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Universities Keep Failing to Actually Punish Rapists (Original Post) eridani Jun 2014 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #1
This has been going on forever. It's good that attention is finally being paid to it, but Squinch Jun 2014 #2
If our daughters cannot live in a safe environment at a "university of higher learning", then Trust Buster Jun 2014 #3
parents PAYING to put their daughters into. PAYING for the environment with outrageous seabeyond Jun 2014 #15
This is ridiculous. MadrasT Jun 2014 #4
“sexsomnia” (a supposed sleep disorder that he said makes him sexually aggressive while sleeping) CrispyQ Jun 2014 #5
sexonomia sounds like a very serious disoder mackerel Jun 2014 #6
then again, it is bullshit and rape apology. seabeyond Jun 2014 #16
This has gone on for years and Are_grits_groceries Jun 2014 #7
Gross ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #8
This is a fantastic idea. Circulate the list via social media. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #12
It would be interesting to see if there's anything like that out on the internet ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #17
I don't think there is. redqueen Jun 2014 #19
totaly awesome and productive, proactive. i looked at the stats at the many colleges last spring. seabeyond Jun 2014 #20
Hey it's been thought of! ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #21
having a son in university, and one of the considerations, looking at rapes to see how the school seabeyond Jun 2014 #14
Isn't punishing rapists a job for the police? demigoddess Jun 2014 #9
"Isn't punishing rapists a job for the police?" you know. a crime. ya. that. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #13
Well yes ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #18
"taken advantage". is taking advantage, like.... RAPE? nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #10
getting raped by our elite, no big deal. think of their future.... nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #11

Response to eridani (Original post)

Squinch

(52,568 posts)
2. This has been going on forever. It's good that attention is finally being paid to it, but
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 06:57 AM
Jun 2014

the fact that there is so much pushback from the schools and from crappy media people is disgusting.

PS: One can just imagine what the "message removed" message said.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
3. If our daughters cannot live in a safe environment at a "university of higher learning", then
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 07:05 AM
Jun 2014

We are know better then apes.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
15. parents PAYING to put their daughters into. PAYING for the environment with outrageous
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jun 2014

amounts asked.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
4. This is ridiculous.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 07:28 AM
Jun 2014

I am tired of this "universities are exempt from normal police jurisdiction" business.

They have proven over and over again they are not competent to handle these crimes. There is a huge conflict of interest when wanting to have positive reputations and wanting to keep their crime statistics low are at stake.

CrispyQ

(38,166 posts)
5. “sexsomnia” (a supposed sleep disorder that he said makes him sexually aggressive while sleeping)
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 07:34 AM
Jun 2014

???

What will they come up with next to excuse their behavior?

mackerel

(4,412 posts)
6. sexonomia sounds like a very serious disoder
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:22 AM
Jun 2014

that could be potentially dangerous for all of society in general, not just at universities.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
7. This has gone on for years and
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:23 AM
Jun 2014

at major universities such as Yale, UNC, etc.
At UNC, a rape victim faced expulsion for speaking out which apparently violated their honor code. Irony abounds. Article about it:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-lookout/unc-sexual-assault-rape-victim-honor-code-142933849.html

A lot of them are a bunch of enablers. They won't speak out because it might hurt their enrollment and endowments.

ismnotwasm

(42,443 posts)
8. Gross
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:35 AM
Jun 2014

Maybe we need a sexual assault rating index for schools. That way students applying can chose the ones who are proactive-- or trying to be-- in stopping it.

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
19. I don't think there is.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jun 2014

If you find one let me know. Otherwise you've just come up with the latest awesome feminist idea

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. totaly awesome and productive, proactive. i looked at the stats at the many colleges last spring.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:57 AM
Jun 2014

they are hard to find. digging i could find them. i learned in those stats. too many hide.

one fuckin rape at university of new orleans... my ass.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. having a son in university, and one of the considerations, looking at rapes to see how the school
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jun 2014

addressed victims, ergo, the atmosphere i was paying to put son into, this is interesting.

especially for parents PAYING to send a daughter.

demigoddess

(6,674 posts)
9. Isn't punishing rapists a job for the police?
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jun 2014

and not the universities? Usually the students are over 18 and therefore adults. Not under the supervision of a nanny. If I were the student raped I would call the police or show up at the police station to make a report. Leave it to the professionals.

ismnotwasm

(42,443 posts)
18. Well yes
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:53 AM
Jun 2014

But if a University isn't going to expell or otherwise discipline rapists I don't want MY kids gong there.

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