i respect blacks voice, here the last couple days.

[seabeyond]

i have not been on du much at all the last, while. i have not been participating much more than reading a title. seeing the stupid of bundy. oh...... yesterday. a jury, i sat on a jury that had my first racist bullshit.... for quite a while. hide that fucker, lol. (this is not a call out. no one knows who. totally vague). but, a point.

personally, having experienced this... with our issue, in this group, i want to say, loud and clear, precisely. i hear ya. support you. say yeehaw, cause this gives clear evidence of black experience. what is often discussed on du with white privilege. this is it. and so much more. i mean, so.... much more bringing in the ugly of slavery. and what? minimizing. mini FUCKIN' mizing,..... SLAVERY. really? fuck.

any questions?

does anyone on du have any questions how clear this is. a snapshot. that points the dots so clearly, that NO moron could miss bigotry.

what happened from the time bundy stood up to govt, brought in arms, pointed weapons at employees (no arrests), decried the u.s. and became fan boy for fox, in all his unpatriotic. to... today.

i walked into a thread yesterday, written by a man that i respect so. that i have gotten to know his voice, and always raise fist with.

then, not knowing wtf was up, .... i was seeing women, that i often raise my fists with.... in this thread.

together we stand.

just know. i am right there with you in voice. looking in the eye, without a blink.... but a know. i stand with you.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. That Thread Is One of The Best Threads I Have Seen On DU in a Long Time.

Someone is due Beer and Travel Money and Someone lost out on a Good Experience.

[seabeyond]

2. Beer and Travel Money

ah. this is so significant. the person so interesting. i never understood. i never understood much of what that person said. lol. i tried. i have asked a number of people. they act like they understand. and they give me an answer. that is suppose to impart understanding. and even in the explanation. i am left without understanding.

so every time i hear that, i get a smile.

and fits perfect for that thread.

i just jumped in and enjoyed the feel of the people. did some high fives. and walked back out, feeling good. empowered.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. It was Perfect ... Random Thoughts. DU Satire at its best. Put The Man in The Mirror.

and much like you, I did not understand, at first, exactly what was happening or how or why ... and that is why I thought of Random because I never knew exactly how or why he was happening either. So, Yeah ... I get you about the nebulousness of it all.

so elusive ... like trying to feel a cloud in the palm of your hand.

Glimpses of Genius.

The Light.

Flickering.

First one light and then another joins until the whole place will be lit up with knowledge and understanding.

[seabeyond]

4. that is awesome what you did in candle.

Glimpses of Genius.

The Light.

Flickering.

First one light and then another joins until the whole place will be lit up with knowledge and understanding.

i thought maybe. and i looked for. and i never saw. which always left me puzzled in the answer. lmfao.

hey... i havent told you in a while. i love you. a blast. you are a total blast.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. right backatcha, woman

Loving You and Loving Life and Loving the Light Shining and Watching the Rise Up and Stand Together

[seabeyond]

6. the power. the strength. the WIN.

i am all into this.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

7. The fist high, the head bowed = Pride and Humility all in one. Awesome.

[sheshe2]

22. That was beautifully done, TA.

I you.

together~

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. Thanks, sheshe2

It was beautiful to watch happen

[sheshe2]

13. you...

"i just jumped in and enjoyed the feel of the people. did some high fives. and walked back out, feeling good. empowered."



and for that, I luv ya sea! You got it.

[seabeyond]

15. that is all it is anymore. cause the reality? it is too clear. we see. we know. hey...

(i really have not been on much. spent the day with sick (cold) 16 yr old doing all the comfort stuff when feeling lousy. but... just saw the maher thread on not liking all this pc stuff. you know. not throwing out jabs at groups that have always been oppressed, for a good ole laugh.

in that thread. every person applauding maher, that i recognize, is white hetro male. can you believe???? so surprised. yet, this totally goes right by this group of white hetro men applauding maher cause they cannot call a woman the b word... or any of the other many offensive slurs.... to groups.

wavin'

and, back outta here.

[Revanchist]

9. Can you please post a link for those of use who might of missed the tread?

Thank you.

[sheshe2]

16. Tis here~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024865234

[Tuesday Afternoon]

19. thanks, sheshe2.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. Hey girl! Thanks!

Something I've learned - I can sometimes either laugh (at stupidity) or cry that it exists . . . I choose to laugh and dance and have a good time in solidarity.


Pssst - we can move mountains of stupidity with mischief.

[bravenak]

10. Yes mischief indeed.

I love that gif!!

[sheshe2]

17. Luv ya JAG!

We can indeed move mountains when together we put our shoulders to it and push!

Dance~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024805722

Hey girl, Watch the video. You will love it!

[UtahLib]

11. I, like you, loved the OP you referenced.

I have been following the thread and just posted there. The OP was masterful in subtly, and with class, presenting the opportunity for a great learning experience. The thread seems to have very effectively exposed the less than flattering character of some posters who, rather than listening and learning, chose to spew defensive knee jerk responses.

[ismnotwasm]

12. Well said

I don't get those assholes, but I will say this, I've had Facebook for a few months now and have had to block 2 people for racism, made one general announcement that I don't tolerated it, I'm about to make another. My husband won't tolerate it. Period.

The thing is this, and here white privilege plays a part--we thought we knew these people, we assumed they weren't racist, or at least tried not to be, and then you see some foul crap on FB, then see the person in real life and confront them and hear "we've always talked like this" (my husband has a 30 year friendship--gone. They had never truly discussed race-- the guy's half Native American, so my husband assumed there wasn't racism)

Really? Not in front of me you haven't. These are mostly middle aged white men, but I'm looking with a jaundiced eye toward anyone who posts weird anti-Obama stuff, young or old. I'm not asking everybody to love the man, but he and his wife and family deserve respectful acknowledgment and respectful disagreement- if that's how you swing-- in my world.

As far as the covert racists around here and deniers of white privilege, they don't even make sense to me. I can't explain them or understand them. I just know if there are enemies to defeat, it's essence lies in whatever makes people think that way.

[Squinch]

14. That thread was beautiful. I think we should just randomly kick it to keep it alive.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. Some people need to understand that if they dish it out they need to take it, too.

And learn to take it with Grace and, I don't mean the woman down the street, either

[Squinch]

20. I don't see any reason to think that will happen. The offending OP stood, and the post that

called it offensive was hidden. Then Skinner, who seldom weighs in, seemed to think that the hide was important enough for him to add his opinion and tell the hidden poster that she was in the wrong.

The position of this site is very clear, and was made clearer in response to that thread.

But still, the thread was fun.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

21. I missed something. Skinner said ... what? where? ATA? off to hunt.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

24. Squinch, Can you PM a link with the hide ... are you referring to MG's thread? or WP's?

Did Skinner comment in the thread itself or ATA ... ?

[seabeyond]

25. i did not know any of this stuff. after reading that....

i am just sitting here, mind going in all directions. very illuminating. thank you for putting this out.

i really.... have not been on du much, following up on shit.

[Squinch]

29. Sometimes I think it's good that we step away and miss some of these to-do's.

They are disheartening, and sometimes you just need a break from them. And I don't think it is any mystery to any of us where you would stand on these issues.

[seabeyond]

30. sharing is caring, as i was told last night, a man pm'ing me that yes... we should say man up,

what a p
b

NO... to no homo

and YES.... to whatever the last one was.

when i asked him, why the fuck he thought i cared what he thought, lol

sharing is caring.

so yes. i share, cause i care.

i am sure, people get whose side i am on.

and damn straight it is SIDES.

lets be really really clear.

[Squinch]

32. Someone here

pm'd you to specifically tell you they think they should be able to say "man up?"

Pm'd you just to pick an argument? That seems stalky to me.

[seabeyond]

33. um hm. wink. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

26. It seems that

Skinner is as Tone Deaf to Racism as he is to Sexism and Classicism.

One can't help but note, that all three being discussed, are Upper Middle Class White Men from the Northeast.

[ismnotwasm]

27. And the beat goes on (in GD)

[seabeyond]

28. you know... i am too done with the silliness of it all. and it is no more than silliness

i guess this is where AA came to. it is so damn silly it cannot even kinda be taken seriously. and it is totally....

the beat goes on. or the tantrum. but really. whatever.

i am having a blast this spring day. and i really got no time to be missin' with this silliness.

(i would listen to yours, but but but i am listening to mine.

its not how you start it is how you finish....

its not where your from but where your at

everybody gets knocked down.

how quick you gonna get up....)

*ya baby*. anyone fix you a rhubarb pie yet.*

can someone tell me who sings this song. i want this video...

not where you are, where your going.

not the things you dun, what are you doing now.

how quick you gonna get up now....

just how are you gonna get up.

....

[ismnotwasm]

31. ...

[TBF]

34. The bigotry and sexism from leftists

also exists on the socialist/communist forums. It is the one argument I have with them repeatedly and I'm not backing down.

They feel that economics trumps all else and changing the economic system has to be the primary focus. This comes directly from Marx (white male circa 1800s).

But they are white males and even if they've lived in poverty they have not walked in our shoes - they really don't know the experience of being a poor black women growing up in these states. It is not the same experience for all of us in poverty. There are so many small ways in which discrimination occurs and makes the experience of growing up in capitalism even worse for minorities. As a white female with a white-sounding name I could at least get in the door for interviews etc. despite my poor, rural white background while "Lakisha" might not even get that far.

We have to keep working on ALL of it. We don't just focus on economics and ignore all the other slurs or we backtrack in that area as well.

This is an important OP, sea. Thanks for keeping your eye on the ball.

[ismnotwasm]

35. The question I ask

Is, if classism were eradicated, would racism automatically be? I would argue in no way would this happen.

Conversely, if know if racism were eradicated, it wouldn't eradicate classism, but it would put a huge dent in it, as well as provide a sense of solidarity amount people, forging a pathway for true economic equity.

But as you say, the only way is to continue to work on all of it.

[gollygee]

36. There's a lot of that here too

They think no one should talk about racism until there are no poor white people.