If He's Sexually Aggressive In Bars, It's Not Because He's Drunk

[redqueen]

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The researchers hired and trained 140 young adults to go into bars in the Toronto area and note every incident of aggression they saw. They found that 25 percent of all incidents involved sexual aggression. And 90 percent of the victims of sexual aggression were women being harassed by men.

Almost all of the aggression was physical, with about two-thirds of the aggressors physically touching women without consent. About 17 percent threatened contact. And 9 percent verbally harassed their targets.

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The researchers also wanted to look into whether unwanted sexual advances were intentional or just a matter of misperception. This study points to the former, Graham says.

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The fact that men were more likely to take advantage of intoxicated women shows that most of these incidents aren't well-intentioned, Graham says.

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http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/03/03/285307535/mens-drinking-isnt-the-driver-of-sexual-aggression-in-bars?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=npr&utm_campaign=nprnews&utm_content=03032014

[intaglio]

1. This study is Ve-e-e-ry interesting

and not in the least stupid.

Thanks

[redqueen]

11. It's sad that so many deny this reality.

When as others have said, we already fucking know.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

2. women knew this long ago.

Nice to see actual research, though.


Interesting note at the end there, regarding intentionality. Again, not a surprise to those of us who have been trying to be heard on the subject.

[redqueen]

12. Yep, we have known for ages.

But yes it's nice to finally be able to get through to those who keep trying to pretend otherwise. (But he's drunk tooooooo! She's as much at fault as he is! )

[ismnotwasm]

3. Are we surprised?

No.

[redqueen]

13. Not just no but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck no.

Predators.

Hey did you see this on tumblr yet?

fistfulofweasley:

i think the thing people don’t realize with that bullshit “well not all guys are dangerous, you should give them a chance” or what the fuck ever is like

if i had a plate of cookies and i was like yeah, a few of them have laxatives in them and one’s got cyanide in there, BUT THEY’RE NOT ALL LIKE THAT

you’re probably not gonna take a fucking cookie

[ismnotwasm]

19. That's awesome

No I hadn't seen it.

[Control-Z]

4. No kidding.

"The lines really aren't that blurred."

Yeah, we already knew that.

[chervilant]

5. Yet, some on this forum

seem invested in believing otherwise.

[KitSileya]

6. Let's call them by their right name -

rape enablers, sexual harassment apologists, misogynists.

Anyone who cry, "but what about men who don't have social skills, you're making it impossible for them to get laid if you reject the right of men to talk to women anywhere, anytime, about anything, regardless of her stated wishes or clear body language" are ok with breaking women's boundaries, and what is rape and sexual harassment but a refusal to acknowledge that women have the right to set their own boundaries?

For example, anyone who defends the jerk who hit on Rebecca Watson in that elevator is a sexual harassment apologist. There are several here on DU. Jameis Winton/Roman Polanski/MikeTyson defenders? Rape enablers.

[chervilant]

7. We should start a counter-movement:

"Don't be THAT guy!"

[seabeyond]

15. "Don't be THAT guy!"

that is good.

[ismnotwasm]

20. It started with a "don't be that guy" campaign

Which the hate-groups MRA's appropriated and twisted into misogyny.

Oh, from here on out I will use the qualifier "hate-group" when referring to MRA's




http://www.theviolencestopshere.ca/dbtg.php

[chervilant]

8. PS

Have to add Woody Allen to your list. Blech!

[KitSileya]

9. Yes, he should go on the list too.

Anyone who defends a child molester, and anyone who is more concerned about the minuscule number of false accusations than the horrendous number of actual victims of harassment, molestation, and rape, should be banned from DU.

[chervilant]

10. Totally agree.

I have a WHOLE list of misogynists and sexists whose vile blatherings I no longer have to tolerate.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

27. This needs repeating:

Anyone who defends a child molester, and anyone who is more concerned about the minuscule number of false accusations than the horrendous number of actual victims of harassment, molestation, and rape, should be banned from DU.

[seabeyond]

16. dsk, assange. (whether you applaud the man or not, still needs to face court). nt

[KitSileya]

17. Yes, and the US, Sweden and the UK need to state for the record that they will not extradite him.

Take away his cover for not facing trial - as long as they do not do that, they are enabling rape culture.

[seabeyond]

18. because i have not gotten into the trenches on this i cannot state fact. i believe u.s. cannot

state what you suggest. for legal reasons, or because ??? and since it has been stated so many times, if people do not hold onto the legal conversation, yet insist it be done, when it cannot be done (not suggesting you cause i do not know what you know), then that is a part also.

i really do not remember exactly what it is. i know it is a game though, whatever it be to feed an egomaniac. someone else may have the answer.

[chervilant]

25. Indeed n/t

[redqueen]

14. Yep but every time the issue of rape comes up, you'll see them line up

to chime in about how 'but how drunk is drunk? how do we know he wasn't drunk too? it's sooooooo hard to know! it's a very confusing situation! we shouldn't really call it "rape" because who knows what really happened?'

[ismnotwasm]

21. I was just explaining this thread to my husband

When he was young he was a hard partier, and so were all his friends, female and male. I love to hear him say "those assholes are full of shit" --at the same time--since that behavior is alien to him personally, she gets this funny look on his face-- a mixture of disgust and confusion, "why would anybody DO that?"

[redqueen]

22. Because they're lazy assholes who can't be bothered to go find women who *want* to fuck them?

[ismnotwasm]

23. Or they just think fucking women is their privilege

"I'm going get 'lucky' tonight" -- ever see "Death Proof" by Tarantino? It's a serial killer movie, but he tosses in dialogue with two minor characters discussing the precise method they're going to try women they're drinking with drunk and them laid.

Tarantino is no feminist, but as a director he does toss little tidbits of common behavior in his movies.

[CrispyQ]

24. This:

The fact that men were more likely to take advantage of intoxicated women shows that most of these incidents aren't well-intentioned, Graham says.

[MadrasT]

26. Filed under "No shit, Sherlock".

Who do these assholes think they are fooling?