Is Evo Psych the misogynistic new religion?

[boston bean]

By that I mean, you all know that religion square pegs the sexes into roles. To put it simply, it is because they believe in God created men and women and women is to serve man. Elevating the male sex.

What makes evo psych any different? Isn't it the same thing without the GOD factor?

ie, that these differences are predetermined and it is our destiny. No one really has any control over these differences..

[seabeyond]

1. YES... yes i tell you. yes yes yes. and it has become so clear over the last 5 yrs.

it si the new mans religion in the name of science.

cant argue science, can we.

yes.

[seabeyond]

2. oh. and btw... a lot of the men on the right like to use it. man thing. not just for the left.

anything that is gonna make mans erection all that.... the glory, the power, the all encompassing awesome of the erection 24/7, a man is gonna grab onto it.

you know what BB. all why growing it, i had women give me the sage advice. always, stroke mans ego. he needs it darlin. do not ecpect it, but do stroke the mans ego.

remember? we were all told that one way or another. magazines. women talking.

we are not stroking the mans ego enough today. i think that is why... we are seeing so much reaction. reddit. mra.

and this is not suggesting we need to go back to stroking mans ego. they can learn to walk away from that ego and not have it control their life so, to the extent it makes them weak. chained. let them be free.

see, again, i am mans number on defender.

[boston bean]

3. maybe I should remove "liberal"

you are right it can be the left or the right. I think I will edit.

[Shivering Jemmy]

4. Not necessarily

There's evo psych as a field of research and then there is pop culture evo psych. The latter is frequently misogynistic the former can be (but isnt always) a legitimate field of inquiry.

[boston bean]

5. I think anything that makes the case for defined gender roles

is sexist and misogynistic and transphobic, and quite a heterosexist pov.

It's like no one has a brain, or can control themselves. I think that is just pure bullcrap.

I'll take religion first. If god created us, he gave us a brain, use it.

Secondly, evo psych. If it is due to evolution, we have evolved brains, use them.

[seabeyond]

6. the real problem. they take the conditioned who we are today and try to prove it with guessing

and story time of the past, to prove the behaviors today are biological.

anyone can do that.

pink in the store for girls.

biologically women like pink cause they picked berries and had to see them. first of all, what about blueberries. secondly. really?

men need porn and checking out every female that comes into their line of vision cause men are more visual cause they had to keep eyes open on the hunt, scanning the terrain. first, women were part of hunting parties. second, women had to find those berries visually, AND scan the horizon for dangerous animals. ergo. women are MORE visual than men

see. i can do it too.

[seabeyond]

7. another problem. huge in my book. they attribute our behavior to beginning of time guesses instead

of giving ANY credence at all to the every day conditioning we live in. from the day we are born on, a society conditioning us. meh... nothing. it is all about the beginning of time. and i want to know what beginning of time. when we stepped into human?, ape, griinin' at you?, or before that time even. what is the beginning, that the biological of who we are is so powerful to dictate our behavior today over all else.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. that is why it is a BS pseudoscience. Nature vs. Nuture is legitmate.

[CFLDem]

9. It is sick

how they don't even consider today's conditioning by the patriarchy.

[boston bean]

11. Is this some sort of schtick?

responding to sea beyond with similar comments, that are beginning to look they are an attempt at condescension?

[CFLDem]

12. My only condescension is towards the patriarchy. n/t

[seabeyond]

14. women should hold on to her femininity at all cost and wear frilly summer dresses to work,

in a professional environment?

that kind of rejection of the patriarchy?

[CFLDem]

15. Women can wear whatever the heck they want to work

Or anywhere else for that matter.

[LanternWaste]

16. Interesting allegation.

Interesting allegation.

[boston bean]

17. I'm not buying it. This is too much of a contradiction to your prior posting history.

Either you were disrupting and playing games then, or you are doing so now.

[CFLDem]

18. Listen I'm not here to argue.

I'm here to help fight for equality. I took Sea's advice, started to get educated, and turned a new leaf.

My only hope is that when it's said and done, I leave the world a better place for women and all the oppressed.

[boston bean]

20. I have gotten emails concerning your participation here.

It is making others feel uncomfortable. Most of your comments are to seabeyond, in what can certainly be construed as mocking and condescending.

Also, since your very recent past posting history has been anti-feminist and critical of feminists in this group, I will ask that in this group, that you add a bit more to your posts in a good faith effort to show your growth. Or maybe ask some questions.

[CFLDem]

22. Thanks for your understanding boston!

I don't mean to be a menace and I know I will learn much from this forum.

[seabeyond]

19. i am thinking.... mocking. nt

[LanternWaste]

21. I do not for one moment believe said poster has had an epiphany or a revelation.

"Either you were disrupting and playing games then, or you are doing so now..."

Both... I think current posting habits are disingenuous and counterfeit whilst prior posting styles were simply mean-spirited. Allusions to emails made and post history are too obvious and pointed for me to believe anything other than a counterfeit and dishonest motive.

And if this results in a my first hide on DU, then so be it; however, I do not for one moment believe said poster has had an epiphany or a revelation... just kicks and giggles for the ineffectual and mean-spirited.

[seabeyond]

13. yup. i made my feelings clear in a post that i edited. i felt a slight chance there might

be a hide and i cannot afford it. so i edited out my thought on this. but i hold firm to what i said.

[Shivering Jemmy]

10. No argument with you

Evo psych isn't really about gender roles. I would argue it's about investigating the role evolution has had on all aspects of human psychology. For example humans have a real problem with pattern recognition. We see patterns everywhere. Even when none are there. Why? Because its better to be safe than sorry...maybe thunder isn't an angry god, but saying a prayer to Thor doesn't actually hurt you evolutionarily speaking. But is believing in Thor really good for us in 2014? I'd argue no. Evo psych tells us that the human brain has built in superstitious tendencies. Critical moral thinking tells us we should resist those tendencies.


Likewise gender roles. I suppose it is possible that they might have some marginal genetic component...but if so its certainly something in 2014 we should fight against.

I think that gender roles are primarily a question of ethics. Thinking that science has anything to say about ethics is a category error.

[ismnotwasm]

23. Ahem

http://io9.com/the-rise-of-the-evolutionary-psychology-douchebag-757550990

[boston bean]

24. lap dancers get better tips when they are ovulating???

Did I just read that?? WTH LOL.

Quackery is what it is.

[seabeyond]

25. i am having a blast reading replies. this i think is my favorite. i want it.

is it really that much of a stretch to say that a lot of our behavior is rooted in evolutionary adaptations?"

Yes. Absent identifying specific mechanisms, it is pretty shitty science to hinge human behaviour - which is a fuzzily defined collection of hugely varied and almost always non-uniform traits - on conjectures about explanatory adaptations. There are massive confounding variables that can not be properly isolated, profoundly culturally driven assumptions about the "universal" human condition and experience that cannot be properly tested, and a lack of rigour necessary to even begin to ask these questions within the field of evo-psych.

Your statement presumes so very, very much but you act as though it is commonsensical. That is the precise stance taken by evo-psych as a whole and it is extremely wrongheaded.

this is how i feel about the issue.

[ismnotwasm]

26. It's made itself ridiculous because it's focuses so much on gender and sex

I was looking- and found a few scholarly articles debunking it, but I liked this one

[seabeyond]

27. prior to my computer crashing, i had three different academic articles from scientists themselves

rationally and intellectually debunking evo psych, while saying there is possibilities so being fair. each of the articles using different languages and hitting from different direction to guide the person thru the flaws of evo psych.

i like this article also.

reality is though. these men who are "scientists" are academics in our university teaching our young men this garbage as fact.