History of Feminism
Related: About this forumA Glossary of MRAs feel free to add
MRA - Mens Rights Activist. Can include all of the current mysogynist/rape enabling culture but at its least offensive just mean men who feel hard done by because women are fighting back against rape, coercion, underpayment, business discrimination and laws that restrict womens freedom. These men believe that women are now protected by a misanthropic the legal system (I face palmed as I wrote this sentence). These MRAs are, essentially, whiners who want to go back to the good old days of the 1950s when pipe smoking real men with ties protected the little woman from all harm, could give any girl a friendly slap on the bum and men were not emasculated by the culture.There are a few women who support this load of
Red Pill Redditors - MRAs with leet computing skillz, they believe they have taken the red pill of the Matrix and can see through to a reality where women are the dominant force in the real world. They tend to be much younger than the general MRA crowd - but also much nastier. It is these little boys who organise with 4-Chan to spam, troll and dox women who have offended them, perhaps for terrible crimes like blogging about how women would rather not be trapped by unknown men in a lift in the small hours of the morning and him wanting to go back the woman's room for coffee.
It is unknown how many of these guys long for some large Laurence Fishburne or muscular Carrie-Anne Moss to come along and take them under the wings of a leather trench coat before whisking them away to a small dirty room where wonderful things can happen.
Incels - The most pitiful of the MRAs, Involuntary Celibates. They bewail the fact they lack the social skills to approach women, talk to them, share normal life and then, maybe, investigate the idea that the relationship might become sexual. In the mind of the incel they are the only guys in the world, over the age of 10, who have not had sex. As far as I can gather they seem to approach women and ask for a pity fuck straight out.
There is a (very) faint chance that these boys might grow to be emotionally mature before the age of 70, get a spine and become useful members of society.
PUAs - Pick-Up artists. If Incels are spineless worms PUAs are peleagic ooze - slime. They believe that date rape, coerced sex and intoxication rape are consensual acts which they are entitled to perform. The less said about these predators the better, they are not funny.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)as much as we can so we can root out these misogynist parasites.
Thank you for this!
redqueen
(115,164 posts)Just curious.
Response to redqueen (Reply #3)
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Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)does that make the jury system a joke, too .... go figure .... it only stands to reason, right ... ?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)CFLDem
(2,083 posts)I'm dead set against the fedora adorned neckbeards and cocky frat preppies that make up these disgusting MRA hate groups.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and lots of puter in computer land like to make fools of others, for no other reason than personal entertainment.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)CFLDem
(2,083 posts)Hopefully the 5th wave ideology won't conflict too much with 4th wave.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)gentlest way possible and am giving you a HUGE benefit of doubt.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)might, the slightest of chances, get a hide. and it is not worth it.
so, i edited my thoughts out. silenced. but that is ok.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I how feel when a certain female DUer comes in here and posts and actually does Rec stuff .... sly one, that one is. Plays both ends against the middle better than anyone I have seen in a long time of internet posting. Gotta give her credit for that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)tiff, does not mean it is not recognized. merely, unimportant. i have a small handful where my name is used and all, consistent beating, in your face and gets a .... meh. liteally. really. a stupid ass meh... who the fuck cares.
people see.
the efforts do not matter
but ya. i hear ya.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)participating on this board with sincere intent ... this is my issue with all of this. It makes a mockery of Community Standards.
As for the Persons doing this, I could give a happy damn.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)That's a good one.
It's a free-for-all shitfest.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)where i actually thought that was a goal
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I had tongue firmly placed in cheek as I typed that
community standards =
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i love you women. you always make me laugh, put a smile on my face, sling an arm around my shoulder. just good people.
thank you
hey.... snow today. windows all open thru out house yesterday. and snow today.
life is good
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)beautiful here all weekend. rain this morning, nice and gentle spring rain. Life is so very good, indeed
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,443 posts)MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.
Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.
NAWALT
Not all women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that theyve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: not all women are like that. Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.
Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with foreign women, a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of Ameriskanks and other WW.
http://manboobz.com/wtf-is-a-mgtow-a-glossary/
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)with a duer name on a man board talking about u.s. "princesses" vs foreign women to have in slave like relations. i wonder... not like an easily, common, made up name.
but, i saw a lot of men going on about the princesses. and wanting foreign. that has got to be a certain kind of creep. but then, it is just the mentality of pay for a tool to use.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Would like to publicly thank that piece of work right now.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i was given a gift walking into colorado springs. a picture. of.... harpies.
it is the best, the fuggin best. i love it. it is going up. my harpies do not look anything like the other harpie picture put up to insult. my harpies are embraced and empowered. it is not about being insulting. but, love.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)one was thrown out in hatred and was palpable but, same thing, given in love and the feeling radiates outward. Love is Strong.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)invisible as they would like to think. that is why i am such a believer in just putting it out there. to much work, and doesnt work, not effective, trying to be coy.
not to mention dishonest
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)now when any of us do, it is jest, cause... we are all just too clever, respectfully we know it does not work
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i had read cave long ago. and they would ru back gigglin that they had gotten a lie over on someone. it is like really?
they come in here and lie. people say ok. they run back and giggle. and think they "won"
fuck
wasnt playing. jerk. i gotta be playing for you to win.
too funny
too too funny
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Computers have been around long enough now that only the very secluded/naive can not see through that tired, old game.
ismnotwasm
(42,443 posts)Cracks me up
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)The difference being who and why it is posted is paramount and germane to this discussion.
ismnotwasm
(42,443 posts)I always kind of liked her.
I like this too
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i liked her on the show also. probably a fav.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)open and above board and presented freely for discussion. This is the difference. Also, disagreement with it, respected.
this is the difference.
It is not a sly(not so sly) call out being posted behind the back in another forum/group on DU.
ismnotwasm
(42,443 posts)Dumbass. I know this is a discussion of MRA's, but that is truly stupid. I've seem worse around here, a lot worse, but "harpy" doesn't pack any punch really, and it can be easily countered-- or turned around.
All Greek and roman mythology has been subverted for one purpose or the other-- in kids shows, games, art. To cling to the original (or as close as they're gonna get) myth as an insult is asinine.
If coded, the person being discussed will recognize themselves only if they're trolling a group, (or if they have a little group of PMers.)-- and this one is so often trolled, I'm amazed, given how much shit talking about it there is. I've only seen TMG for instance if referenced elsewhere, or on a jury. I trashed it, and it stays trashed.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)They are a dumbass.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)redqueen
(115,164 posts)'But my wife says...' 'But no women I know think that...' or from the female side 'Well no men I know do x / are like that.'
Closely related to 'But my Latinx friend said...' and 'I have Black friends and they said that...'
Sheer idiocy.
It seems that no matter how many times people are reminded that their anecdotal experiences do not change jack shit in the wider world, this crap still gets thrown up on the regular.
ismnotwasm
(42,443 posts)Always have a "wife" or a "girlfriend" who is "strong" and "doesn't" take any shit " or some such wording. It never fails to amuse, these attacks on feminism while hiding behind their "strong woman meme.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you did an excellent job describing the difference. clear diffferences. i can see what you are saying. thanks.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)They're just geeks. They've spent their lives in a society that labels them as useful for tech support, not useful for dating. Interpersonal skills in all situations are a little like asking your technophobe grandfather to build a computer from parts.
They still need to get over their shit and behave like adults, but they're coming more from ignorance than malice.
In my youth, I was such a geek. I was absolutely convinced that made me utterly unappealing. Everything our culture threw at me had the geek as the 'comic relief' while the women were only interested in the "real men". Even in the Revenge of the Nerds series of movies, a nerd only "got the girl" after squashing his geekiness.
I was wrong - looking back it's clear the problem was my assumption. But when wallowing in that situation it's all too easy to toss the blame at others, followed by lashing out.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)socially inept girl, bookworm girl, that is not getting the boy.
so, she is ruining boys and mens lives, making hell for them, ect.... but
NEVER
never.
we never make these excuses for girls. our girls sexuality is totally invisible. her needs never matter.
all of our world, ever minute of our 24 hours, is focused on the boys or mans erection. it is all about that. all the fugin time. day after day week after week. the erection. one manner or another. either he does not get to use it enough. uses it too much (pat him on the back). uses it inappropriate (boys being boy)
enough
it is not ALL that. never has been. but... what we have been doing for the last couple years. and with that, we wonder why masculinity is so elusive today?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)she takes off her glasses, lets down her hair, and gently tosses it from side to side. Then the football player starts drooling, but she goes off with the "nice guy" instead.
Not exactly realistic, but the lesson we appear to be teaching the girls is they can still be "date-able" with some cosmetic changes. It's those darn glasses holding her back!!!!
The geek boy ends the movie either having utterly changed his personality or without a romantic interest. Though I have noticed that this is changing a bit - they're starting to give the geek boy a geek girl sometimes. "Getting the cheerleader" in such movies still requires a new personality.
Again, the "red pill" boys I'm talking about are still in the wrong, I'm just saying it's an error from ignorance. All they know is what TV, movies and books have told them about their romantic worth, and that is massively reinforced by high school life. As time moves on, most of them will grow up enough to figure out they were wrong.
As for geek boy time vs geek girl time, ATM focusing on geek boys since MRA-types are the subject at hand. However, I think more focus on geek girls is the way to fix the geek boy problem - more exposure to girls, especially in a comfortably "geeky" environment, would probably be the best way to fix the "geek boy" problem. Hard for a geek boy to argue he can't talk to girls when he just chatted for a couple hours about "The Elder Scrolls" video games.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)their geek and dork. what these young men are doing on reddit is not simply boys being boys. it is ugly, nasty, mean, not warranting being socially embraced, but rejected. there is something in these boys that feel they have the right and are entertained in hurting other people.
and ya ya ya. i know. you are not condoning. so you do not need to say it again. but... listening to you, to a point i hear ya. then i think abotu my boys. i think about their friends. and i think about what these young men on reddit are doing to women and girls.
there is a difference in these young men that will get on a site, and do this to women and girls.
they are different than my sons. their friends. the men i have grown up with.
that is what i cannot reconcile with what you are telling me.
i know the 15, 16, 17 yr old that is competing with the jock and his angst.
these are not the same
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I'm saying it's self-loathing boys lashing out against those they erroneously blame.
What they need is some psychological care. Either formally, or the kind they'll rapidly get in their 20s from society.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)tell them, it is theirs to treat women in horrible fashion. (i have always felt what ism said about the nerd movies and didnt let boys watch because of the specific reason how they treat the girls). they are living in a culture that tells them the are entitled. they do not get. waaaaa. those girls are going to play
it is a god damn temper tantrum at an adult age.
i just cannot muster the same sympathy. and i am trying. my mind is going a mile a minute.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Again, they are coming from a place of self-loathing. That doesn't lead to entitlement, it leads to anger.
Those movies also tell them that they are worthless to women unless they completely change their personality.
They didn't get the chance to "grow up" socially in high school. That self-loathing and feelings of worthlessness meant they had limited, if any, social interactions. No way they went to parties, for example.
So while the calendar says they're adults, socially they are 13-year-olds. That is also why they typically "grow up" quickly in their 20s. And why the "red pill" people in the OP are so young. Older ones have figured out they were the problem.
It's much easier when you lived it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)even as a kid. lack of maturity, understanding that, always left me with my nose curled.
redqueen
(115,164 posts)During all the raging that geeky nerdy techie men were venting when geeky nerdy techie women said "enough with the sexism/objectification in geek culture pls thx", MANY geeky nerdy techie women vented about how insulting it was to grow up around these men, and listen to these men moaning and whining about the cheerleaders who rejected them, while the geeky nerdy techie girls just sat there thinking, 'Um, hello?'
So yeah... No.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)certain way and these supposedly intelligent, geeky, nerdy boys can not THINK for themselves to define HOTNESS in their own terms.
at the same time society is telling our intelligent, geeky, nerdy girls that they must look and act a certain way in order to attain another stereotyped male.
We have put each other in boxes and lo, beware those of us who feel constrained by the box and BREAK OUT from those confining restraints.
It is ALL such a HUGE LOAD of BULLSHIT to those of us who have broken out of our boxes that we are fast becoming frustrated (and then) bored with those who choose (for whatever myriad of rationalization) to remain BOXED IN.
redqueen
(115,164 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I love to sing
jeff47
(26,549 posts)At least, that was the lesson decades ago. The dot-com millionaires have had an effect on the cultural desirability of geeky males.
But the guys I'm talking about really believe that no woman can find them attractive. Eventually, most of them grow up. But first, they can do some damage.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)from their heart, they know better. and still, it is conditioned from the day they are born.
self loathing does not lead to entitlement, self loathing occurs because of their PERCEIVED entitlement that is "not happening" and then they get angry and take it out on the girls. male entitlement is man made. patriarchy in other words.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the geek male gets to be a sexist ass, and the girl take it.
male trumps. every time.
it does not matter if it is geekdom, race, even sex. it all bottoms that hierarchy, male trumps. even the geek. and the movies made sure of it. he may have had to conform to get. but.... thru out the movie it was full of sexism for the male, geek, entertainment.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)it is ALL about puttin' those *****'s in their place. dont they know. the man. here is the man. who are they to say no. they need to know their place.
that is what so much of it is. the constant shoving us in our place.
and men know what i am talking about cause you get the same, in different situations. BUT... with gender. male is superior. in all facets of life it tells you such. every nook in cranny in life tell you, men, even geek men, still men, are superior to women.
in your brain, in your heart you may know better.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And really it's a belief that absolutely no women will ever have romantic interest. Is it "entitlement" when it's about any women at all? Not just the "hot" or otherwise desirable. Any.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)enˈtītlmənt/Submit
noun
1.
the fact of having a right to something.
before they even got to the point of deciding they are geeks, they have been taught by society they are entitled to sex. it is their right. their masculinity.
then they grow up into geeks, but, they have already learned from society. entitlement. superior. came first. why would that anger not be, ... being denied what he is entitled to.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The geek boys I'm talking about learn to be outcasts before puberty. As a result, they wouldn't learn they are entitled to sex until after they've learned they can't attract women.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)of, the role of a woman thru out her life. the presenting herself to. all of it.
i boiled it down. the commercials they see. the cartoons. popeye with olive oil. mickie with minnie. it is everywhere in our lives.
and jeff. if nothing else. was a fun chat that made me think think think
jeff47
(26,549 posts)almost an inverse entitlement.
Likewise
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i can remember at four thinking about being married and my role in that.
and you know what? once i grew up, i was not thrilled with that role that i thought was all heavenly at four.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)When playing "house" with my friends, I always insisted on being the husband/dad. No way did I want any part of that "wife/mother" stuff.
It is really interesting to me that at age 4, I was already rejecting the sterotype of "female".
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)four seems to be the age, of the first sexual journey. i can remember about 11 rejecting it. the second stage of our sexual journey
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)...I also wore glasses, and back then little tiny glasses came in 2 styles, plain tortoiseshell or fancy pink cateye glasses.
I wanted the pink ones soooo bad, and my mom would never let me have them.
My mom was pregnant when I was 4 and that seemed pretty horrifying to me. I was like "Wait WUT??? I am a girl and when I grow up.... oh hell no!" I was a pain in the ass about wanting to know about what made a baby happen and that is when she explained things to me. I was like, "OK, so basically make sure to never get in bed with a man naked and I am safe."
That seemed easy, just wear pajamas after you get married to keep your ladyparts covered so no accidents happened. (I truly thought it was an acccident, not fathoming at age 4 how ladyparts and manparts would meet each other on purpose.)
OK that is way off topic but my memory of my 4 year old brain amused me enough to want to share.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bah ha.
i remember the glasses.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Geeks can be very appealing. I'd rather hang out with a geek than a so-called "real man" any day.
It does seem like a lot of these guys are pretty young.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)That's exactly spot on. And we are the ones who need to give them the true red pill to heal them of their frustration and turn them into productive citizens.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)there is more wrong with these men than simply "healing their frustrations" that they have not been taught civility, kindness, respect for their fellow humans. even in woman form.
it says something about the man that has made it to adulthood and has not learned he does not have the right to hurt others and actively try to destroy others.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)IRL, I think we'll find most of them are inept wallflowers.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)They're ignoring those teachings due to self-loathing. They are getting back at those they erroneously blame by violating cultural norms.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cause they are men, and this is what men are suppose to get. society has told them all their lives they are suppose to. there teen age pimply faced guy movies tell them they are suppose to.
i want wnat want my hot girl. i am suppose to have a hot girl. mine mine mine
the DIFFERENCE and my initial point. you do not see the 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, girls throwing little fits that they are entitled to the football jock, TEN.
that is where the problem is.
these girls not getting sex. not getting the hot guy. that are self loathing. are not doing the same thing. why?????
cause they know damn well they are not entitled to the football player. do not even consider, bother. get someone on your level.
you might want to look at how our society conditions our boys. and how porn and shit effect our boys and maybe get closer to the answer.
what about them being raised on the humiliation, degrading, shaming girls in porn? that does not effect them?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)as they lash out from their self-loathing.
These are geeks. They never feel entitled. You can't feel entitled within a society when you feel you are a social outcast.
No, they are geeks and this is what they can never, ever, ever have. A girl at all, regardless of her "hotness".
"Hot" girls are targeted for the same reason terrorists target the famous. To get more attention.
Well, I don't have personal experience on that side, but I'd guess it is because we don't tell them they will never get sex. That they will never get any guy. To go back to the stupid stereotypical scene, she gets the guy by taking off her glasses.
Yes, having grown up in the life I am describing, clearly I'm unable to understand what it's really like.
The hole in your theory is the entitlement angle. These boys think they are the ultimate losers. You can't feel entitled when you feel utterly worthless.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)learned. only emotion for boys is anger. and girls must be nice at all cost.
personally i think that is changing and our girls will more and more choose to lash out.
but... we can comfortably say, our culture teaches the boys to lash out with their internal pain.
redqueen
(115,164 posts)These actresses start off hot. They just sexualize themselves.
That's the message girls get. If you're already hot, you have a chance, but first you have to sexualize yourself.
The girls who aren't hot are not fooled into thinking they can magically become hot by taking off glasses.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Yes, it's an utterly stupid path that is not at all realistic, but there's a path.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this is what madrast is talking. you are holding onto the myth, like i hear so many du men say. that girls/women can get sex whenever they want. it does not matter how stupidly unrealistic that is. or how untrue it is. factually. you men will not step away from that little nugget for anything.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Assume you know nothing but what our culture hurls at kids. Yes, the geeky girl knows that culture's path for her is utterly unrealistic.
But what's the path for the geeky boy? He's always the sidekick. There is no path.
Though it is quite possible that things are significantly different today - the dotcom millionaires got the attention of our culture, so geek boys may not feel like such outcasts.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)different from the car, boat house.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But we're talking about the late-kid to 20-something if we're talking about "red pill" types. They're paid well compared to their peers, but nowhere near "buy a woman".
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)whippin' off glasses is not a reality of a path. but as you say, a path.....
redqueen
(115,164 posts)We see copious amounts from these types of men, whom I refuse to pity or sympathize with, and IMO it is the lack of entitlement which explains why we don't see that from women.
Pornographers know, and they exploit it. Once again I can't find the list of quotes from pornographers explaining that their audience wants to see women treated badly because they want revenge on the girls they couldn't get in high school, the ones who rejected them.
Sick stuff, but at least they're honest, I guess.
ismnotwasm
(42,443 posts)Instead of basing self worth on what kind of women is to be had to bolster self esteem, Find someone loving and kind-- this I've seen. An overweight women, or one who is not conventionally attractive?
I've seen many couples-- happy couples like this and they tend to be the rule not the exception. We are not a nation of perfect beauty. That's a myth, no matter what is shown on TV.
Or is what you're saying the damage has been done, the inward hate of self has turned out word to women?
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)way and feel in such a way that the boy is ENTITLED to any girl of his choosing and society EXPECTS (demands) that our girls act in such a way that is pleasing and catering to ALL the boys, regardless.
ismnotwasm
(42,443 posts)I was cringing. I didn't realize how casual sexism was in those shows-- I had a vague recall of it being the nerds beat the asshole jock types-- but there was Rapey illegal stuff like major Voyeurism
in that movie-- I had to explain a whole lot of things to Nate. That whole series is disgusting. I don't mind sex or potty humor but I had forgotten it what was taken as a norm at the time.
(Personally I was a chameleon-I fit in whatever group I found myself in without engagement. Then left. Not a great way to live)
I'll tell you one thing-- I'm very happy to see a rise in Geek culture for young women and men--they found a place to belong without having to change who they are. Too bad you missed out one that. I think a lot of people were hurt like you were.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)my boys calll me on it.
ismnotwasm
(42,443 posts)I'm far more careful. When Nate was younger I had he watch PART of "Carrie" because it had a character who was a "jock" type a school who was NOT an asshole stereotype. Didn't let him watch the whole movie-- he was worried about middle school bullies at the time. Of course now he's just 15 and Mr. Cool. But also not a bully, and quite good looking. His mom keeps him on a tight lease-- or I just might add young great grandma to my resume of young mother and young grandmother.
He's got more sense than I Or his mother did in that matter thank goodness.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And teens saying they could not *possibly* feel entitled. Oh, you have no idea. It's not just alpha dudes who feel like they "deserve" as much as their more socially adept peers. Fools who act like these girls and women are "things" society promises them for doing x y or z. The net reeks with bitter screeds about horrible women who are "superficial" and choose popular guys instead of them and how it's "not fair" because they are nicer. First off, they are largely chasing after girls they don't even know or like beyond a superficial way. Second of all, they are deluded on two counts- that a great woman will fall in your lap if only you do X Y or Z, and that they are actually nice guys, interested in getting to know any gal except those their lemming friends approve of. They are angry that their efforts don't produce the quality of woman they'd like to obtain. So angry we often get scolded and called the worst names for declining their advances. It absolutely is an outsized sense if entitlement on display. And it's much rarer in women. I guess you'd have to be on the receiving end of their bullshit for it to register. But it's much more common among regular guys than you could imagine.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Just as the jocks, arty folks and hall monitors aren't. Some are wonderful, and some are hostile and deluded little fuck heads.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)because American women aren't submissive enough. I can't remember the acronym they use for it, and my google searching to try to find it led me to pages of people raging about how awful feminists and other assorted liberals are for supporting IMBRA, so I've given up on finding it before my blood pressure gets too high. Hopefully someone else here will know it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)off du and i started making comments on like cnn.... the number of these men and the huge ass chip on the shoulder loser that they were.
that was a huge eye opener for me. i did not know about this group. but ya.... pretty big.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)The law really only does two things: Makes a potential bride aware if her husband to be is a sex offender or abuser, and makes it so mail order bride companies can't hook people up with kids.
Anyone that objects to either of those things is such an awful person they really deserve nothing but contempt.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this.
i can just see those very mens head exploding because now they cant abuse these women quite as easily.
wtf?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Love it.
Saving for later....I gotta get to work, and I can't get off DU.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)is that these guys seem to think any woman can automatically have any man she chooses at the drop of a hat.
(What with their talk about women being the "gatekeepers" of sex and so forth.)
It doesn't work that way.
Or I should say "one of the things that gets me".
They are living in a dreamland if they think that's how it works if you're a woman... that you just set your sights on some guy and BOOM he is automatically available, ready, willing, and able to hook up with you.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i think you are right. i am trying to get the point in posts above. but i do not think men get, that SOME women do not get sex either, regardless.
i think that is a myth that they live their lives by, that partially, and i mean just paritially, allow sucha huge chip. everyone is getting it but them, lol
redqueen
(115,164 posts)And the same goes for the guys.
chrisa
(4,524 posts)Naturally MRA tools would want to be like that.
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