History of Feminism
Related: About this forum4 signs that 2014 was a shitty year for women in Hollywood
We're actually seeing more of each woman on the screen (as in her boobs) while seeing fewer women overall. Only 15 percent of all protagonists in the top grossing films of last year were women, which could just be a bad year for ladies ... if that number wasn't actually one point lower than in 2002. In other words, the year of Austin Powers in Goldmember was slightly better for women in film than the year of Gravity.
Read more: http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-signs-that-2014-shitty-year-women-in-hollywood/#ixzz2wOokd3Cf
pipoman
(16,038 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)However many of the movies they're talking about were from 2013.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)I also saw this. ..Harry Potter, Twilight, Fifty Shades. .
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)... The Hunger Games franchise.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)... and the Nanny McPhee films. She not only starred in the films but wrote the screenplays.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)... rather than individual films? Either way, there are plenty of women who have both written screenplays for franchise movies and adaptions of works by other writers; Emma Thompson, for instance, both wrote the screenplay for and starred in Sense and Sensibility, becoming the only person to win an Oscar for both writing and acting.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)I feel fallacious statements like this do more harm than good for the point being made. .
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Would you have preferred I not point out that women have written some of the most successful screenplay adaptions in movie history? That doesn't mean that women are, by any stretch, properly represented in the number of screenplays being filmed. I was simply contradicting the question referred to in post #3 which came off to me as a challenge to women's capability as screenwriters for successful films.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)I was referring to the text I quoted, not your response to it. ..
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)No prob.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Obviously women write SOME screenplays but you have to go back to 1995 to find an example and you think that's an example that women are reasonably represented in the film industry? Really?
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Jeezus. I was answering the question that had been quoted in post #3, which I had assumed was a challenge to name any women who had written adaptions to successful movie franchises. I also cited Suzanne Collins (Hunger Games) and Emma Thompson again (Nanny McPhee). My point was not to contend that women are properly represented but for anyone to assume that women had written no successful franchise adaptions was to challenge their capability. I'd say if anything, women who have written screenplay adaptions, including those for franchises, have a better track record for success than most men. They simply aren't given the opportunities.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and they make that point in the article.
And the same goes for any job where you get to yell at people -- only 16 percent of all high-up production jobs in 2012 were held by ladies, which is actually less than in the freaking '90s. But look on the bright side: It's not like Hollywood is going to start buying screenplays from chicks, so you best just start writing books.
Women write books, and men will make films based on books written by women, but women aren't really represented in the film industry.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Response to pipoman (Reply #3)
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Ghost of Tom Joad
(1,405 posts)or maybe even several decades. The industry caters to males 11-25 as their target audience.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Used to be there were loads of good parts for character actresses and actresses over 40. They were a joy to watch. Now those parts are a thing of the past because too many films are written either by barely mature men or men whose lives apparently came to a halt once they reached puberty. Women don't even play the romantic partners anymore -- it's the buddy films now, no women necessary or even wanted.
There are a mere handful of mature actresses even considered for those rare roles -- Dames Judi Dench and Maggie Smith the most notable, perhaps. I recently saw a wonderful movie called "Cloudburst" with Academy Award winners Olympia Dukakis and Irish actress Brenda Fricker. A lesbian romance with two marvelous, mature women! It was funny as hell but of course, it was an independent film from Canada. I'd highly recommend it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"As for speaking roles in general, only 30 percent of characters who get to say something in movies were women. That number has stayed pretty much the same since before we were invading Iraq."
That figure is about work, for all levels of actresses. Nothing about which films got to the top, no about just the big stars, this is the employment gap that matters. And note the constant state of that figure. It's even worse if you get into age stats. Much worse.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Used to be that movies were aimed at adults. Now it seems a majority of films are aimed at teen boys who either fantasize about being comic book heroes or can't get enough of an adrenaline rush of violence and speed. Not much of a place for women in that testosterone-pumped fantasy world.
redqueen
(115,164 posts)finally.
ismnotwasm
(42,443 posts)Probably why I like female "revenge" movies so much- from "Kill Bill" or "Death Proof" to I Spit on Your Grave". Two of these movies involve rape--the entire point of I Spit on Your Grave--But I don't kid myself; these movies don't change rape culture, they participate in it. They don't up uplift women, they fetishize them.
Still, when the bride slams her disgusting rapists head in the door repeatedly until he's dead, it's satisfying. It usually the other way around. As far as franchises -- sure there are successful women-- small boulders under the mountain of masculine run entertainment.
BTW Here's a good article on a theater
L to R, Linda Park as Lady Nijo, Karianne Flaathen as Isabella Bird, Sally Hughes as Marlene, Rhonda Aldrich as Pope Joan and Etta Devine as Dull Gret
Few women playwrights have garnered as much praise and generated as much controversy as Caryl Churchill. Her work has been called feminist, post-modern, post-colonial, Marxist, experimental, irritating, innovative, ludicrous and brilliant. She has worked with feminist collectives such as Monstrous Regiment and at establishment institutions such as the Royal Court Theatre, where she was the first woman to hold the position of resident dramatist. In both spaces, she has maintained her dedication to dismantling sexist, economic and colonial power structures through an ever-evolving exploration of dramatic form. Though she is still writing today, her early plays are already considered part of the Western canon.
Unfortunately, being included in the dramatic canon does not ensure that your plays will get produced on contemporary American stages, and even theaters devoted to producing the classics often avoid Churchill. This may be partly because she didnt win inclusion in this elite, mostly male club by being one of the boys. If the traditional dramatic form, which proceeds in a straight line from exposition to climax, can be said to be masculine, Churchills writing is the epitome of the feminine: circular and multi-climactic. Likewise, if a masculine form can be said to be concerned with the individual protagonists psychological experience, Churchills feminine structures deliberately de-center the individual in order to explore identity as a product of social and historical forces.
Flaathen (left) as Mrs. Kidd, Hughes as Marlene
Churchills style, then, requires more of actors, directors and audiences than the typical canonical play. Yet a classical theater in North Hollywood, CA, has taken up the challenge: The Antaeus Company is running an engaging and highly relevant production of Top Girls through May 4.
Top Girls, which premiered in 1982, is best known for its opening act, during which an ambitious woman, Marlene, throws herself a dinner party to celebrate a work promotion. Her guests are historical and folkloric figures: Lady Nijo, a 13th-century Japanese concubine; Isabella Bird, Victorian world traveler; Patient Griselda of Chaucers Canterbury Tales; Dull Gret, from Breughels painting of the same name; and Pope Joan, a medieval female Pope. The second act takes place largely in the employment agency where Marlene works. The third is set a year earlier in Marlenes sisters living room.
http://msmagazine.com/blog/2014/03/18/top-girls-is-top-notch-feminist-theater/