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ismnotwasm

(42,443 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:02 PM Mar 2014

A quick Instant message exchange with my daughter

Who will be having a girl in June-- 4th kid, first girl.

Her: so weird ladies from a Ricks work are giving me stuff for the baby...wwww!

Me: good stuff? Phil's picking up the computer today BTW (we got them a laptop)

Her: Huge gender divide in the response a girl vs a boy gets. I find it annoying (I heroically don't say "I told you so"--that would be bad)

Me: Like what. And it is annoying

Her: the barrage of princess items like it's mandatory

Me: and pink-- even things that don't need to be pink

Her: Yup. I'm feminist enough to be offended. It's ridiculous. (Heh! I already knew that-- but I let my kids label themselves)

Me: thing is-- there's nothing wrong with with pink-- just pink overload
And they start that male pleasing merchandizing far too young-- don't be surprised to see it sooner than you expect (I'm thinking the word "hottie" on a onesie)

Her: I refuse to force my daughter into a damn princess if that's her choice fine but I will not shove it down her throat


I can hardly WAIT to go see her and have this conversation; she and many other young women underestimate how early "expected" gender behavior is indoctrinated into little girls. My daughter is very smart, and has been raised by a feminist.

My husband just said "we need to buy that kid some Tonka trucks"





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A quick Instant message exchange with my daughter (Original Post) ismnotwasm Mar 2014 OP
Choices. What it is all about. and Respect those choices while others should respect the choices Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #1
Thank you ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #2
oh yeah, and there will be plenty of that to come ... unless, maybe - Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #3
Exactly ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #4
My grandson has a doll he carries around at times... CTyankee Mar 2014 #5
I never liked pink abelenkpe Mar 2014 #6
I think ... AnneD Mar 2014 #10
I worry how many are not even aware of it & just pass it on, CrispyQ Mar 2014 #7
Get her a pink plastic handgun. malthaussen Mar 2014 #8
My daughter and SIL are both ex-military ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #11
I get the impression your daughter has a refined sense of sarcasm. malthaussen Mar 2014 #15
... ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #16
I let my daughter tell me what she liked.... AnneD Mar 2014 #9
I just read an article on babies ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #12
My older brother.... AnneD Mar 2014 #14
Nice! ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #17
Side note - or maybe not? JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #13

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
1. Choices. What it is all about. and Respect those choices while others should respect the choices
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:07 PM
Mar 2014

everyone else has made. Respect, dignity, the right to privacy, the right to respecting others privacy. the right to be in public spaces with decorum, respect, good manners and kindness.



Happy for you and your daughter, ism

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
3. oh yeah, and there will be plenty of that to come ... unless, maybe -
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:18 PM
Mar 2014

hopefully this election season will be for and about Women. Women being taken seriously on the World Level and National Stage.

This will raise awareness like nothing else can, I think.

Women enacting Law.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
6. I never liked pink
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:29 PM
Mar 2014

or girly stuff growing up. But my daughter? Loves to dress up and do girly stuff. It's difficult. I want her to be a strong woman, a proud feminist, but don't want to spoil her love of girly things. It's so true, the things kids are indoctrinated into right away from birth. Starts right there at the baby shower!
Once told another mother I didn't want to buy my daughter a doll house. And she was horrified. Until I told her I was building my daughter a doll house with her out of legos. That house has been growing and expanding for years



AnneD

(15,774 posts)
10. I think ...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:42 PM
Mar 2014

it skips a generation. However, my frilly little girl has a head for business and a body for sin, and she'll walk all over you in her Steve Madden red heels if you mess with her. She takes no crap from anyone. Traditional GrandMom and liberated Mom always get a chuckle out of her adventures.

CrispyQ

(38,166 posts)
7. I worry how many are not even aware of it & just pass it on,
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:32 PM
Mar 2014

like all the women who are giving her these items as gifts.

on edit: And 'hottie' on a onesie?

ismnotwasm

(42,443 posts)
11. My daughter and SIL are both ex-military
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:46 PM
Mar 2014

My daughter was an weapons expert. They are very familiar with weapons, and have them. I don't know what all.

However, my SIL is a bow and arrow dude-- very involved with the archery association of my state. I might have him teach me on a recurve because I'm left handed, and I'm not spending that much money on a damn crossbow.


ANYway---At one time-- my daughter wanted a pink cross-bow. Wonder if she'll change her mind now?

malthaussen

(17,658 posts)
15. I get the impression your daughter has a refined sense of sarcasm.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 07:57 AM
Mar 2014

Can't imagine where she got it from.

-- Mal

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
9. I let my daughter tell me what she liked....
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:34 PM
Mar 2014

I was a 'tom boy', hated lace and dress up. Loved science and 'gross stuff'.

I was totally bumfuzzled when my daughter loved pink and Barbies. And as a girl under 9, there is no such thing as too much glitter. Mom use to joke that her grand daughter was the girl she always wanted.

ismnotwasm

(42,443 posts)
12. I just read an article on babies
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:53 PM
Mar 2014

Apparently sakes are dropping off because little girls are tired of passive toys and are starting to want toys that are more interesting. Anything is better than those BRATZ doll though.

But liking pretty and glitter and soft while still gendered isn't strictly speaking a gendered thing.

Boys just don't get to let out their inner multicolored sparkly unicorn

That's funny about your mom



AnneD

(15,774 posts)
14. My older brother....
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 07:28 AM
Mar 2014

who is as male as they come, insisted that Mom painted his nails for a while. When Mom asked him why, he said he thought they looked so pretty. Dad had conniption fits about it. I still remember us playing in the sand box and him taking his Tonka road grader up his little hill with that bright red nail polish on his fingers.

Now my other brother was very attractive-so much so that Mom always had him in obviously 'boy' colored clothes because the most common comment was 'what an adorable girl'. He had long curly hair until his first hair cut. However, I do remember that before his hair cut, Mom took one of my baby dresses on him and snapped a Polaroid of him. Yes, he would have made a beautiful girl but again, he turned out to be a nice sensitive man.

I don't know what is worse, stepping on Barbie's shoes or Legos. Trust me, my daughter's Barbies saw plenty of action. My fav was when she took my foot massager and turned it into a spa and hot tub. She made a spa membership for me and she and her friend 'treated' me to a spa day with Barbie. You haven't lived until you have the Barbie spa treatment.

JustAnotherGen

(33,390 posts)
13. Side note - or maybe not?
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 06:27 AM
Mar 2014

My mom was thrilled when I asked for an ORANGE bedroom when I was five. Yep! Bright orange!

She hated the 'pink persuasion' that went on.

Your daughter is aware - and that's a very very good thing.

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