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Getty Images launched the Lean In Collection Monday in partnership with LeanIn.org, featuring more than 2,500 photos of female leadership in contemporary work and life.
The project began when Pam Grossman, director of visual trends at Getty Images, commissioned a study that would track the changes in the representation of girls and women in the media. The study turned into a presentation that Grossman later shared with Sheryl Sandberg and the Lean In team at Facebook Headquarters in Palo Alto, Calif., last fall.
This is such a big passion project for all of us, and cheesy as it sounds, by showing people powerful images of women, we thought maybe we could actually change the world, Grossman told BuzzFeed.
more at link:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ashleyperez/stock-photos-that-hope-to-change-the-way-we-look-at-women
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I am so glad you're a member of this community, TA.
liberal N proud
(60,936 posts)We were just the support to get them there.
Ilsa
(62,219 posts)believe that women can do everything they can do.
My youngest enjoys watching his favorite university's women's basketball team as much as the men. He sees them hustle they way men do, and often, they score as many points as men's teams.
One thing I'd like to see: stop calling the Women's teams by an altered name. Instead of "Lady Longhorns", call them "Longhorns". Instead of "Lady Bulldogs, call them "Bulldogs". There is no need to differentiate their names. It is an unnecessary separation. To prevent viewing and ticket confusion, media and ticket should use terms like NCAAW and NCAAM.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)for clarification, a simple announcement... womens basketball up, or mens basketball up... works.
and i hear you on this. years ago, when boys just getting into espn and watching sports they were so so so impressed with womens basketball and we would often have conversation.
i was in a highly competitive sport, ... swimming. genders together, so though we had events, we trained and did the same work out together. decade and a half of my life. which has allowed me to always be a huge part of the conversation with my sons chosen sport and a knowledge for the kids, that our girls are just as highly competitive. my son got highly competitive in his sport, running. he is now in highest level competition in college, seeing the best. and that includes women. he is finding a whole (ok, he never lost respect for the athlete, man or woman, that excelled) new level of awesome women athletes.
BainsBane
(54,728 posts)The diversity of real women doing things, working, loving, living their lives. This is a perfect counterpoint to the Sports Illustrated cover TA.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Really do love and appreciate you. Didn't mean to .. yanno .. disrespect your thread. I will delete if you want.
You have done so much for DU3. I don't think people realize your tireless efforts.
While, I have not always agreed with you ... I have always respected your intellect and your Heart.
You have a huge heart and a brain to go with it.
I am proud that over this past year you and I have gotten to know each other better.
Happy Valentine's Day.
BainsBane
(54,728 posts)I love this thread!
I am also glad we were able to put aside our differences and get to know each other. Just think we have the menz to thank for that!
Happy Valentine's Day!
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I just love that Tree! Thanks
I meant in Your Thread, earlier.
I was kinda -dark-
no biggies.
calimary
(84,187 posts)LOVE it! I just keep thinking - it's a majority of the planetary population we are now. That's a HUGE and largely untapped talent pool. For all the increasing numbers of ways I'm impressed by Pope Francis - he still has an awfully long way to go on this issue.
Guess you gotta start somewhere though, maybe?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)!!!!!!!
one_voice
(20,043 posts)The SI cover is *those* women doing what they want. This thread--which I recc'd--is important too. Women can do both. Why does it have to be one or the other.
My nephew plays pee-wee football. There's been a girl on his team from the beginning--she's one of the best players--won awards and all. My niece is a cheerleader and would love to be on the cover of SI...two different girls doing what *THEY* want, isn't that what it's about?
BOTH celebrate women...imo.....because it's women doing what women want.
edited to add my niece is 19. She still a cheerleader.
BainsBane
(54,728 posts)women as ornamental objects for male lust. Those are toxic imagines that disempower women, prompt our young girls to demean and devalue themselves and waste energy on trying to turn themselves into something impossible rather than doing something constructive with their lives. They create eating disorders. They are unrealistic images, not only because those models don't actually look like real women; they don't look like themselves. They are all photoshopped. The fact you say you want your bottom to look like one of those girls, essentially like a prepubescent child, shows how damaging those images are.
What is to celebrate about turning women into commodities for corporate profit? It may be what those women want to do, but those decisions are made in the context of a misogynist culture that values women only as ornaments, not as human beings with equal rights and the full array of options enjoyed by men.
There is a reason images like that are prohibited in any public place or workplace that plays any attention to the law. The create a deliberately hostile environment that seeks to exclude, that seeks to drive women from public space, that delieberately and consciously tells women they are inferior. So by all means, you support the menz in turning the clock back to 1962 when married women didn't have a right to own property or people could be refused employment simply for being women or a people of color, before EEOC laws regulated stuff like you insist should be celebrated. If that's what you want, go for it, but don't bring it into HOF. It is the one little corner of DU where misogyny isn't celebrated and where women get to count as human beings.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I was joking about my butt...guess you missed the laughing smilies. And even if I did want my butt to look like that what's wrong with that?
I want these abs, legs, butt and so on. Too bad we can't have both.
(she's a UFC fighter)
(WNBA player)
?1342129209 (she's a runner)
I could go on and on. But you continue to shame women who CHOOSE to model. Whether it's on the front of SI or like the women above.
I believe we can do both...both are empowering to women. As long as the WOMEN are choosing to do it...they can do anything.
Any man or woman that does just one endorsement is a corporate commodity.
Women like you hold women back.
I'm beyond sick and tired of women trying to tell me that I'm not a proper feminist or I'm a problem. I'm not...if women feel good enough about themselves to take off their clothes in front of a camera, then I support them 100% percent. I want women to do what they want without men or OTHER WOMEN telling them how 'bad' they are.
Play football, be a doctor, hell be a fucking neurosurgeon posing naked... it's all good to me. As long as no one is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do. Or no one is keeping them from doing what they want to do by shaming them.
Just for shits and giggles....
edited to add: I didn't realize this was posted in HoF....I clicked the link (original comment) via GD. I'm not going to edit or delete, but I won't post further since this is a protected group.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that is it.
cant see the difference?
one is presented as a fuck.
one is presented as an accomplished person
you see no difference?
one_voice
(20,043 posts)are choosing to do. That's about as empowering as is gets. Doing what you want.
Those women on the front of that magazine might be horrified to learn that other women were saying they were presented as 'co*ck teases' and presented as fuck. How do those things help women?
You don't see a problem with talking about other women like that. Women that choose of their own free will to do that?
No I don't see a difference. I see beauty, toughness, and most of all independent women doing what the fuck they want.
Now that I've read what some women have said about those women on the SI cover, I'm as sickened as if some said 'she deserved it' about a rape victim.
Again, Sea, I didn't realize I was in HoF when I posted my first comment. I will not curb my opinion, this is how I feel. So maybe it's best I don't respond further.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)calling it out, say the very words out loud. but you do not seem to think there is a problem at all creating these girls to be this for men.
and no, i do not believe that you do not know exactly what is going on.
you want a ridiculous argument that because women say they are positioned to entice in a fuck is wrong, but actually positioning these girls on a cover to meet the male eye to do just that is... meh. you might want to take into consideration the number of posters, men and women, not a part of this group that calls it out for just what it is.
whatever.
i know, see, hear the hypocrisy of this enough to know it is a standard means of pretending it is all "pretty woman" wrapped up in a bow.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)it's in a protected group and you are free to say/call me whatever you want because you're a member of this group I am not. My opinion is very different so it's not welcomed here.
I'm not a hypocrite and I know what's going on.
Thank you very much but you can keep your lecture.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and i explained why i think it s pure hypocrisy to be offended by the words when feminists call it out, but not offended when men direct it to the actual girls, or how media uses it for just that.
again. a difference.
that is not calling you anything, but the argument. and i assure you, you can speak out without name calling, just as i can.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I am a feminist too. So where's the hypocrisy?
And here you said this:
one is presented as an accomplished person
Why aren't they both accomplished? Being a model isn't accomplished? It doesn't matter?
How can you call the fact that I don't have a problem with the pictures on SI hypocrisy, when many of the comments about those pictures/those girls amount to shaming them for something that you don't approve of. Is that not the height of hypocrisy?
If a guy called them 'fuckable' or presented as 'fuck' the fucking internet would explode--rightfully so. If it's wrong for them to say it then it's wrong for women to say it. Worse in my opinion.
No, I don't have a problem with it. I will not partake in the shaming of those women simply because it doesn't fall in line with my idea of what feminism should be.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that makes no sense with what i say. another of the continually used arguments to dismiss what is actually being said. you are a femnist. yea for you. so?
this is not about the girls. it is about patriarchy, entitlement, privilege. it is about raising our girls to see themselves as only a service to men. it is about our media and culture that continually reinforce this behavior, that women are merely worthy as fucks.
these girls made the decision to pose in this manner knowing just what they were being USED for. you do not get to say that because someone actually says it out loud, that makes it bad. it is good to use them in this manner, we can just not say it out loud. they made their choice. we are not talking about them. we are talking about the manner they are used. you do not like it, though you are ok with them being used in that manner.
oh fuckin bullshit. really? now i am just lmfao. bah hahha. really? kinda like all the guys could have a thread laughing about milf and all their raunchy jokes and giggles. but, because i said... mothers you would like to fuck, that was WAY too harsh. it was hidden. play with it... but do not use the words cause they offend.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4499438
she'll do.
she'll do? she will do what? she will do for a fuck? what do you think this man was saying about this naked woman, right her on du? do tell me the toned down version of interpretation with .... she will do. she will do ... what?
hit it. do it. tell me how heads would explode. i really do not know how people argue this, what they tell themselves. i am really kinda pondering this.
BainsBane
(54,728 posts)which means you should not be posting here. Period. You have deliberately come here to offend, disrespect and to tell others they have no right to think or be different from you. That shows your entire argument about choice a complete façade. We made our choices clear to you, yet you refuse to grant there is one like corner of DU that should not be subject to sexist imagery. The only "choice" you acknowledge is to align oneself with corporate capitalist culture and misogyny. No amount of disrespect on your part can force me to value profit over human beings, men over women, or misogyny over my right to be who I choose.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)and i explained why i think it s pure hypocrisy to be offended by the words when feminists call it out, but not offended when men direct it to the actual girls, or how media uses it for just that.
again. a difference.
that is not calling you anything, but the argument. and i assure you, you can speak out without name calling, just as i can.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=36799
Again, all my responses have been respectable---just a different opinion than yours. If your saying that's not acceptable here, then fine I will not post further.
BainsBane
(54,728 posts)You refuse to respect our right not to have sexist images in HOF, our right to maintain this as feminist space as we define it. The only rights you acknowledge are the ones that subordinate women to men. Your continued disrespect here exposes your argument as empty and self serving.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I'm at a complete loss as to what you're talking about. Seriously.
I've not done anything but express my opinion, respectfully.
I'm done now. I will leave you to your piece of DU.
BainsBane
(54,728 posts)Pretending as much is absurd. You ridiculed me and said "get a friggin sense of humor" and posted images for the explicit purpose of showing disrespect. Your response to a discussion of equal opportunity laws that specifically prohibits in public spaces what you defend is "get a friggin ense of humor."
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)get a frigging sense of humor
is just as demeaning
as accusing me of being drunk in the hosts group when I was protesting the double standards in the lounge.
It is another version of the "damaged" argument and it should not fly in this safe haven.
BainsBane
(54,728 posts)and your deliberate disrespect is noted. I did not go into the SI thread because I had no interested in engaging in what was clearly a deliberate attempt to offend and inflame. Yet you lack enough respect for other human beings to observe the SOP of this
group and to understand there is one little corner of DU where women get to count as human beings. Do what you want with your life, but you have NO RIGHT to impose it on others, which is precisely what you are doing here.
A model is not an athlete. There is clear and obvious difference. Those athletes are ridiculed for being fat, too big for the corporate capitalist culture that you clearly value more than the women in this group. So by all means, join with the menz in telling the sexist and racist jokes that have become commonplace here. God forbid this site remain inclusive rather than openly hostile to the very demographic that makes up the Democratic party.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I haven't disrespected anyone. You didn't go into the SI thread? how did you know about my comment about my butt.
No a model is a model--which is a career choice. Do athletes have a higher value than models? Are their careers more acceptable than models? Do we not respect women's career choices?
I haven't treated anyone with any disrespect. I have been respectful--especially after I realized I was in HoF. Please point to my disrespect.
I'm not imposing MY LIFE on anyone. I was giving my opinion.
hlthe2b
(106,213 posts)Even after you accuse "Women like you hold women back. " and deride those with whom you disagree?
I just reviewed the exchange in this subthread and even after being reminded that this is a protected group and that all need to adhere to the SOP for the group, it seems as though you continue to antagonize.
As co-host of this group, I am going to block you, at least for now. If you want to appeal that decision, after reviewing the SOP for the group, you may do so. One can hold a different opinion on many issues important to women, but discussion must be respectful.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)others validate women engaging in stereotypical female activities.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Brainstormy
(2,426 posts)Three cheers for that!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)If I owned that dog, I would have to call him 'meat head'. Have you ever seen it's like?
These photos are great. I especially loved the juxtaposition of the woman holding a baby at the laptop, then the man holding the baby, while the context switches to her 'working' at the laptop. Subtle, and nice.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)redqueen
(115,164 posts)Thanks for posting this.
Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)So, yes, post is appreciated.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)TygrBright
(20,987 posts)...while they really went out of the way to ensure ethnic diversity, beyond that there is a predominant "sameness" to them: Almost all of the women are young(ish) and conventionally attractive in face and body. Most of the girls are slender and pretty.
Most of them by Western, industrialized nation standards, too. So, I'll give a special nod to the anomalies as I see them (Only 43 images loaded for me, so this is them numbered from the top):
#4: Future NHL Player: You go, girl!
#6: Woman operating industrial machinery. I wish I could see her face better. I bet it has stories in it.
#8: Woman hunting. I understand the depth of field decision the photographer made, but again I'd like to see her better.
#15: Woman minding the market stall: She is beautiful, and I suspect anyone acculturated in her culture would find her stunning.
#29: Master tailor: I love this one. I know so many iterations of this woman.
#33: Brainstorming: I wish I'd had a mentor like her when I was just starting out. Oh, wait... I did!
#37: Consulting: Nice shot. Alas, so few close-ups of women with history in their faces.
#42: Survivor: So beautiful. An amazing story here.
#43: Homecoming: LOTS of inspiringly individual, radiant women.
So, eight out of 43 outside the "what the beauty products and weight-loss and youth elixer and plastic surgery industries think powerful women should look like" mold.
Not bad.
But we COULD do better, I think.
reservedly,
Bright
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)TygrBright
(20,987 posts)Thanks for posting this.
It IS progress.
I just get impatient.
The older I get, the more "invisible" I feel.
wryly,
Bright
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)go to the link ... perhaps you can contribute
Tumbulu
(6,438 posts)We still have much farther to go. But a start.
NBachers
(18,106 posts)This is a beautiful and inspirational project. I hope it grows, and everyone gets a chance to see and participate.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)NBachers
(18,106 posts)And a heart from my Heart Account to you, Tuesday Afternoon!
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Symphonic rock...well it rocks.
cinnabonbon
(860 posts)Very cool pictures. Thank you for brightening the forums with your presence, Tuesday.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Warpy
(113,130 posts)My own childhood was scarred by dressup and careful posing, never having my picture taken when I was doing anything like painting or making sparklers with my chemistry set or building a Lincoln Log casket to hold the stupid dolls I never played with. Anyone who sees the few pictures of my youth would think I was a doll, myself, taken out of a box full of cotton batting once a year for a photograph and replaced carefully, never to be marred with a skinned knee or lump on the head from a rock in a snowball.
Other than the photos taken of starving women during the Depression and Rosie the Riveter during WWII, photos I saw growing up were of everything female being decorative objects.
I love this project. Thank you so much for posting it. And the little girl in the tutu with the basketball says it all, that we're not just little dollies put in the world to look at, we actually get out into that world and do things.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)llmart
(16,331 posts)Back in 1962 I was in the 6th grade and there was a chess club in our elementary school. Never had any girls in it but my 6th grade teacher, a woman, was the head of the chess club. An Asian girl in my class taught me how to play chess during recesses where we had to stay indoors. I became very good at it (I was a bit competitive) and asked my teacher if I could join the chess club and she said yes. Didn't bother me a bit that I was the only girl.
I think chess taught me an awful lot about thinking four steps ahead of everyone else and how to have a logical thought process.
I also love the picture of the hockey player. Some of the pictures seem like they are still a bit stereotypical - beautiful, slender photogenic women in stilettos.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Ms. Toad
(35,466 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)More please.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)the tag right under the headline? Not so much.
"Who runs this world? Girls."
My mom always taught me to say women. We wouldn't say "Who runs this world? Boys.", now would we?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)leaders of this time. young women, girls really, coming up with creative, innovative ideas to help the world.
or strip down for the men to play with you as a toy. or tool
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)really. (there is that word again )
Nothing wrong with healthy women exposing their backsides glorifying in their femaleness and extolling human sexuality.
Overexposed and done to death ... trite even.
That it was posted and by whom and the timing and placement being in questionable taste is what brings me to wonder about the predatory and hostile nature of some certain DUers who also, have first amendment rights.
I think we are supposed to fight for their right to be stupid, or something ...
This is why our soldiers go to war ... I think ...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)out exactly what it is, why it is being done. how it harms all of us, creating a society that is continually presenting the ass of the young girls to be fucked by our men.
you alone give us exactly one example how this is used to harm. on a democratic board, in an environment with men and women, it is used to insult, humiliate, shame (if you read some of the posts the purpose of these young naked women is to call the women calling it out, ugly, jealous, feel for their husbands) create a hostile environment, male ownership.
that would be just one way in which this garbage is continually used against women, as we are told it is harmless. we can see thru out our daily life, how it is purposely used to hurt others. people that are minding their own business not asking for this shit to be in our lives.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)society = men, women, boys, girls and all people everywhere no matter their race, color or creed or how they identify.
remember our conversation about pity ...
I pity them.
I also avoid them.
They do not listen.
They do not hear.
They have a tone.
They call us out for our tone ...
but, Their tone is OK ... ? No, their tone of insulting humiliating, shaming is what is wrong with DU.
The lack of respect. The UN-kindness of their actions. This is what saddens me.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ya, mark the territory well and good to drenching. lol. drippin off the walls. so it will be up for a time. they do not get threads like these handed to them often, to do this little ritual.
lots of silly.
and... it is getting well into the 70's today. we are going out into the yard and doing a little light work to get spring started. how does that sound, for a saturday,
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I have some shopping and errands to run ... will be having supper with a friend later this evening.
My life is so good right now.
Planning my garden, etc.
Did you see my thread in the lounge? Amazing to me ... houses, designs, how people choose and build their environment.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)no, i did not see the thread, but i love what you come up with, different ways to live. will check it out.
and dinner with a friend sounds lovely.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)And oh look... not a single bare-ass-thrusting shot in the bunch.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)respect to women and girls is not even on the radar for some. for others of us, it is pretty much all there is, so too clear.
compare that to a thread in gd, talking about our young women (girls) creating some innovative and an excellent model for the future, to the si thread, it is even more glaringly obvious. these girls get barely any recognition, yet, strip them naked and over 600 reply thread of attention.
here is the thread of some very awesome young women.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024502172
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth