Um, did you see this in GD?

[CTyankee]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024498713#post6

Isn't this Lounge material?

[Kelvin Mace]

1. Unfortunately,

the argument is that this is "culturally relevant" for discussion as the Sports Illustrated annual Photoshopped cutlet display is a "tradition".

[Warpy]

28. Nice description

I tend to avoid the whole thing.

[redqueen]

47. "Culturally relevant"? To knuckle-dragging throwbacks, I guess.

And "tradition"? Really?

How fucking low are standards here going to sink?

[Kelvin Mace]

116. The question of standards,

sad to say, is not just relevant to DU, but society at large.

Yes, it is depressing and very frustrating that we are having this kind of argument on DU, where we expect that people should know better, that people would NOT post an SI cover of women in provocative sexual poses, then offer the lame "they are consenting adults and empowering themselves" argument.

But, on the bright side, there was a time, within my lifetime, when the propriety of such a cover would never have come into question in a public forum. If you look through this thread you can see substantial pushback against the sexist nature of the cover and discussion such as we are having with various people.

So, we have come a ways, just not far enough.

When our destination is the Lonely Mountain and it is still shrouded in mist in the intimidating distance, it behooves us to look behind and note that we can't see Hobbiton, our starting point, at all.

[cinnabonbon]

2. Seriously. nt

[seabeyond]

3. and i was gonna jump in to ask.... OMG, is this where the really cool women hang out

to help the men objectify those women. a whole lot of high fives, lmao.

then i thought... meh. that was kinda the purpose of the thread. i couldnt get away with just one comment and walking from the thread.... would attract a certain... hm... trying to think of the right word.

i read a post about language and how "really really" should never be written. that would be lazy language. that there are so many nifty words we are not using. so, i pause any more when wanting to pull out a certain word. what use to be a vast vocabulary, has really (oops) diminished with computer chat.

[seabeyond]

4. back to my loud music and enjoy a day with windows open.... breeze flowing....

candles lit....

[Tumbulu]

5. Oh goodness!

Sad, just so sad.

[MadrasT]

6. Clearly it belongs in the "Sports" group.

[BainsBane]

7. The purpose of that and the blow job thread

Is to claim DU as white male space only and make sure women who don't buy into photoshopped media images know they are not welcome here, and jurors who allow those posts to stand are reinforcing that claim.

There is no public space that would allow either of those threads, no Democratic Party office, no politicians office, no workplace that bothers with following the law in any way. The reason is that it creates a deliberately hostile environment. But DUers who enforce that notion of community standards do not seek to be inclusive of all Americans. Instead they deliberately and purposefully seek to exclude anyone who isn't white, old, male, or thinks women are full human beings with equal rights. This is not the philosophy or demographic of the Democratic Party, which is predominately women and people of color. This is rather a bunch of old men and their allies who are pissed off society advanced past 1962 and are doing everything they can to roll back the clock to a period before they had to compete with women and people of color in the workplace, before LGBT folks had basic rights, before married women could own property, before women and people of color could legally be denied work and housing based on their sex or race. That is why they target African American members and feminists and why they are starting to tell LGBT members to keep their mouths shut about their rights. These are supremely reactionary people who have so interpolated capitalist commodity fetishism that they think Sports Illustrated is "human sexuality," as one juror insisted.

Liberals do not exclude. Liberals are not male supremacists. Liberals are not white supremacists. That is what people do who are terrified to see their privilege evaporate and are desperate to create one little space of the internet that recreates a time when no one but they had rights.

[seabeyond]

9. you are so smart. right on. and this needs desperately to be an OP.

Is to claim DU as white male space only and make sure women who don't buy into photoshopped media images know they are not welcome here, and jurors who allow those posts to stand are reinforcing that claim.

on valentines day. people were having to much fun, feeling to good and being nice. lol

oh my

[DURHAM D]

14. Yep. They are just marking territory.

Given that their streams are getting weaker and weaker the leg lifts must be more frequent. Hopefully they will all pull a groin muscle.

[seabeyond]

15. people were getting along too much. be respectful. appreciating. that is all. backlash to

nice

[CrispyQ]

16. This:

That is what people do who are terrified to see their privilege evaporate and are desperate to create one little space of the internet that recreates a time when no one but they had rights.


I've come to love the "Hide Thread" button.

[Scootaloo]

29. You've been doing a fine damn job of taking words out of my mouth of late!

I hope you're washing them off before you use 'em, though!

I think the problem boils down to the plain fact that the admins will tolerate any level of any kind of bigotry that doesn't target whatever groups they themselves belong to.

[cui bono]

54. Blow job thread?

Ugh.

Yeah, I can't believe that SI thread is out in GD. Doesn't even belong in the lounge if you ask me. This is supposed to be a board that understands and is against the objectification of women.

The men on this board could use a quarter at UCSC to learn a little bit about sexism.

[Squinch]

57. Adding one more voice to say "beautifully stated."

This should give pause to all:

"There is no public space that would allow either of those threads, no Democratic Party office, no politicians office, no workplace that bothers with following the law in any way. The reason is that it creates a deliberately hostile environment. "

Yet, some DUers feel these types of threads to be perfectly acceptable, and the DU administration strongly supports that position by consistent accommodation.

I feel certain that, in supporting these threads, they are falling back on the mindset of bigots everywhere who have been called out: "Oh, lighten up. Take a joke." To those reading this who would respond that way, you should know: that is a "tell". It reveals the willful nature of the bigotry. It shows a part of you that you might even be unaware of. But you have revealed that part to everyone else.

[YoungDemCA]

113. You make an important point here

Not to mention that by supporting these threads, the community is alienating more and more people from the Democratic Party and its supposedly "progressive" base.

[YoungDemCA]

112. +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Thank you!

[seaglass]

8. It's bait. n/t

[sufrommich]

10. It is. And posted by the same cast of characters

every. single. time.

[seaglass]

11. Well at least they're admitting they aren't feminists, so there's that. n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

37. haha. as if we didn't already know. sheesh.

This is better than reading the thread itself.

Learning to Love Trash Thread and Ignore.

DU3 has provided me with the tools to moderate and customize DU3 to my own personal satisfaction.

I take what I need and leave the rest.

I realize this narrows my jury pool some what.

Oh well.

[UtahLib]

12. My thoughts, exactly.

Same old, same old, with the objectification of women thrown in for maximum effect.

[MadrasT]

13. Wow, at 100+ posts, by now it's like a pissing contest to mark GD as "anti-feminist" territory.

Pathetic.

[BainsBane]

17. Isn't it lovely

Last edited Fri Feb 14, 2014, 10:55 PM - Edit history (1)

that on DU Valentine's Day an opportunity for some to demonstrate how desperate they are to turn the clock back a half century? Think you're an equal citizen with full rights? Not so fast little girls. You're not worth shit if you're over 18 and your ass isn't exposed for old men to gawk at.

They have effectively claimed DU as white male only space. They conduct witch hunts against more than one woman of color, make sure any thread having to do with equal rights for women, civil rights or human rights are denounced as "flame bait" in comparison to the far more important issues of legalizing their pot stash or belittling women to make sure they know they are not equal human beings with full rights. They argue that the law is irrelevant and they should be able to violate a woman drunk beyond the ability to consent. They willfully and purposefully ignore a legal record that shows an accused pedophile is indeed a lying sac of shit and instead repeat verbatim the lies out by his publicity machine. Some even denounce Black History month as giving special treatment to African Americans, while the "rest of us" (which sure the hell doesn't include me since I will not be included in any conception of their "us&quot have only a week. They insist black folk should be "honored" when they are served fried chicken and watermelon for Black History month, and that LGBT Americans need to keep their mouths shut about Russia because "it only backfires."

Their notion of "liberalism" is one produced by corporate capitalist culture. Porn is liberal. Rape porn is liberal. Big corporate media magazines that sell commodified images of women are liberal. Liberalism to them hinges on women as objects rather than citizens. They insist objections to a thread in GD of Sports Illustrated images is "conservative." In defining liberalism as they do, they reveal a conception of the term that includes men only. Women are not part of the body politic. Women exist as objects of commodity fetishism, not as political allies, not as presidential candidates, not as equal human beings. Women should not compete with them in the workplace. White men as college drop outs are entitled to earn more than women with advanced degrees, and the fact that a woman or person of color anywhere on earth makes more than them, they claim, shows they are not privileged---a comment that reveals they believe themselves entitled to more by virtue of being white and male.

If we object to women and people of color being treated like shit, we are "right-wing." So tell me, when did white male supremacy become "liberal"? When did telling LGBT Americans to keep their concerns about equality quiet become "liberal'? When did it become liberal to openly advocate returning to a time period before discrimination in the workplace was illegal, before LBGT Americans had the right to openly love, work, or marry anywhere? When did opposition to equal rights, like EEOC laws, become "liberal." When did promoting a hostile environment become "liberal." How is it liberal to work so diligently to align oneself with the rich and powerful--whether Woody Allen or corporate pornographers and media tycoons--over survivors of child abuse, rape, and women and people of color in general? Since when is it liberal to insist on maintaining an openly and deliberately hostile attitude to anyone who thinks like they are part of the 21st century instead of the past? When is it liberal to be so hostile to progress and try to restore a mid-20th century haven online, where women and people of color and told to shut up and keep in their place, where women are valued only as ornamental or enablers of misogyny?

And they claim we need to shut up because they are our "allies." What kind of ally defines the body politic as including only a small minority? What people post things that start to resemble Fox News, how is that liberal, progressive, or Democratic?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. Baines. You are on fire tonight. Have you ever

Considered public office?

[BainsBane]

20. LOL. Not a good fit

Nice of you to suggest it though.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

21. I understand, totally. The public's loss. Ever considered

speech writing for a candidate?

[BainsBane]

22. Yes, actually I have thought of that

I think I could be good at it. I don't have the connections to get such a job though.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. I think you would be excellent at it.

I don't have any connections though.

[Squinch]

58. Well, then at least make this an OP, would ya???

ESPECIALLY THIS PART which made me want to cheer:

Their notion of "liberalism" is one produced by corporate capitalist culture. Porn is liberal. Rape porn is liberal. Big corporate media magazines that sell commodified images of women are liberal. Liberalism to them hinges on women as objects rather than citizens. They insist objections to a thread in GD of Sports Illustrated images is "conservative." In defining liberalism as they do, they reveal a conception of the term that includes men only. Women are not part of the body politic. Women exist as objects of commodity fetishism, not as political allies, not as presidential candidates, not as equal human beings. Women should not compete with them in the workplace. White men as college drop outs are entitled to earn more than women with advanced degrees, and the fact that a woman or person of color anywhere on earth makes more than them, they claim, shows they are not privileged---a comment that reveals they believe themselves entitled to more by virtue of being white and male.

If we object to women and people of color being treated like shit, we are "right-wing." So tell me, when did white male supremacy become "liberal"? When did telling LGBT Americans to keep their concerns about equality quiet become "liberal'? When did it become liberal to openly advocate returning to a time period before discrimination in the workplace was illegal, before LBGT Americans had the right to openly love, work, or marry anywhere? When did opposition to equal rights, like EEOC laws, become "liberal." When did promoting a hostile environment become "liberal." How is it liberal to work so diligently to align oneself with the rich and powerful--whether Woody Allen or corporate pornographers and media tycoons--over survivors of child abuse, rape, and women and people of color in general? Since when is it liberal to insist on maintaining an openly and deliberately hostile attitude to anyone who thinks like they are part of the 21st century instead of the past? When is it liberal to be so hostile to progress and try to restore a mid-20th century haven online, where women and people of color and told to shut up and keep in their place, where women are valued only as ornamental or enablers of misogyny?

[MadrasT]

59. Indeed.

And they claim we need to shut up because they are our "allies." What kind of ally defines the body politic as including only a small minority?

Allies don't tell those they are alliance with to sit down and shut up. And they certainly don't mock, belittle, and attack.

True allies LISTEN and EMPATHIZE and SUPPORT.

[sufrommich]

60. Bain,you are a treasure.

I just wanted to go on record as saying that.

[ismnotwasm]

137. Exactly and well said.

We have less a culture of liberalism and more about libertarianism and moderate to conservative , capitalistic democratic politics. Good 'ol boys alive and well.

BTW, that is the stupidest SI bathing suit cover I've ever seen. even one of the models has this to say

"The girls took turns posing in the middle for the shoot, but apparently their derrieres are the real cover stars.
"If I were to pick ... I would have to say our butts won it," Teigen, 28, who married singer John Legend in September, told SI.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-et-mg-chrissy-teigen-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-cover-lily-aldridge-nina-agdal-20140214,0,25428.story#ixzz2tUqPbdGB"

Nice. They are not young women--they get to be butts.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

19. CTyankee with all due respect

Why do you think it is lounge appropriate? Would you think it welcoming? Is that the type of establishment that you regularly attend in real life? Do you enjoy that type of post in the lounge on a daily basis?

[CTyankee]

30. You know, you have a point there...rereading it, I can see it...

my initial response was too hasty...not thinking it through.

It's hostile anywhere...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

32. thank you CTyankee.

it is the predatory, hostile nature of these types of postings that I take issue.

Men are not the only misogynists in the world although, I think the correct terminology on DU3 is to call these types

MRAs = Men's Rights Activists

and

MRA sympathizers.

[CTyankee]

33. that became clear to me after my initial response...I went out and started thinking about it

the motivation behind posting it was not to just ogle women, but to make a statement, plant a flag, see if they could get away with it.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

34. This has been going on since the inception of DU3.

[CTyankee]

36. why was DU3 such a signal event?

Not that I don't agree with you, I just didn't see it coming...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

38. Self Moderating ... was the catalyst ... the culmination of society's degradation along with

the influx of the Libertarian influence and, as always ... not all are as they appear on the internet.

Truly, I am a gorgeous redhead with a huge bank account

[CTyankee]

40. and I am Marie of Romania...like dorothy parker once wrote...

Also, the pernicious effect of the creation of the Men's Group...altho I now understand that the men who started that group were not intending it to become a beehive of misogyny, but it evolved that way. At first, I thought it had become a place of sad, bitter men who blamed women for every bad thing that had happened to them in their lives...it was never THEIR fault, THEIR responsibility to straighten out...but now I see it has become a place to exact their revenge on women at DU. So the poison has spread to GD.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

42. yep.

[redqueen]

49. About intentions...

One of the people who was one of the earliest supporters is the one who linked to MRA shit in the fucking FAQ, so...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

72. you know what they say ...

the path to _______ is paved with ____ intentions.

[redqueen]

75. I'm gonna guess...

"Libertarian MRA hell" and "shady"

[Tuesday Afternoon]

77. yep. Rock On.

[redqueen]

48. Yep, the MRA talking points are flying fast and freely in that thread.

Sadly some seem not even to recognize what kind of shit they're spewing everywhere.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

61. I don't doubt it, redqueen -

Insert something here

about the First Amendment

and the right to be stupid

and unkind

and disrespectful

to half the human population.

[redqueen]

73. Just found out that one of the women who claimed she didn't know she was spewing MRA talking points

was also frothing at the mouth having fits about someone being called a "dog" yet was buddy buddy with the woman who started the OP, who called a woman on DU the c-word.

If that doesn't make their little bullshit game crystal fucking clear I don't know what will.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

76. haha ... nuance and subtlety ... some are better at it than others ... one more time:

I Never Called her a Dog ... just that her interaction with MG reminds me of how a hunter interacts with his favorite hunting dog ... slight difference, perhaps but, there it is ...

[seabeyond]

80. well, that would be interesting seeing how she caught the naked girls to put up the op for all the

guys to gather and play with as a chew toy or something. not sure who is getting their head rubbed on this one. but had all the guys from the mens group patting her on the back, anyway.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

84. well, you know sometimes

when getting petted ...

one likes to go ...

lower ...

and will toss up their head so that the hand automatically slides down to the back ...

I have seen this interaction between a hunter and his favorite pet hunting dog.

I have witnessed this.

I can testify.

[seabeyond]

87. i am a pacifist and have never hung out with hunters, so i am totally clueless what you are talking

about....

lol

[redqueen]

82. Doesn't matter. Intellectual honesty isn't something certain types care anything about.

I called no one a "fucktoilet" but to hear some here you'd think I did.

I wish I'd archived that one thread from Meta when that shit was finally spelled out and the dishonest claims of a few were laid bare for all to see.

Seeing the same kind of bullshit still going on and so few calling it out... the dynamics here are intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer at this point. Like I said, DU is not a welcoming place for feminists. Bro-approved feminism is the only welcome kind.

[MadrasT]

86. That was one of the most epic misrepresentations in the history of misrepresentation.

I am still in awe of the willful blindness exhibited during that incident.

[redqueen]

93. It's just faux-nooz style dishonesty. And when it's used to demonize the feminists here who dare

to try to raise awareness about the most popular and socially-acceptable forms of male privilege, it is willfully-ignored by most here. Because, well, duh.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

88. --- Bro-approved feminism is the only welcome kind. ---

FUCK THAT NOISE AND SHUCK THAT JIVE.

[redqueen]

95. Ha but if you're still one of the few feminists desperately clinging to that 'sex positive' bullshit

then you're of course not going to have a problem with this environment at all.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

96. thing is, redqueen

I have had some very positive sexual experiences in my live.

I don't even like that term for what is happening.

I do not think they are sex positive at all.

It is whack.

[seabeyond]

98. of course sex positive was meant as an insult to other women.... that is the whole purpose and how

they use it. they use it to attack other women in our sexuality. no different than slut shaming, just the other side of the scale.

[redqueen]

99. Just about everyone has. Sex is fun for the vast majority of people. But that movement stopped being

about actual fun and empowering sexual choices long ago. It's now about commerce, shaming anyone who thinks critically about sexual issues or criticizes the sex industry, and protecting male privilege

As it was originally intended, it made sense.

But of course it was hijacked by capitalist white libertarian type feminists (and brogressives) and turned into a hot steaming load of shit.

And all but the most naive feminists already know this. The "male feminists" and MRAs who still pretend it's valid do so for their own very obvious reasons.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

101. as a movement, they have been left behind and need to catch up

because. damn ... dragging them into the 21st century kicking and screaming is -such- a drag. yanno.

leave 'em lay, I say.

[seabeyond]

100. biggest couple decade fail, except the recognition and acknowledgement of diversity.

it was such a huge ass fail in laziness of feminism, to allow the backlash that has us fighting the battles of the 60's and 70's all over again.

[redqueen]

102. And this is one of the reasons tumblr is amazing. On DU there is little participation from WOC.

On tumblr there are MANY women of color, radical feminists, womanists... being exposed to their ideas and concerns is VITAL to progress for feminists.

Plus, it makes it really fucking obvious just how many feminists and womanists see right through the charade of the so-called "sex positive" movement as it exists in this century.

[seabeyond]

103. interesting. i am gonna have to get on tumblr. nt

[cinnabonbon]

119. We really do need a womanist presence here on DU.

I miss that a lot.

I am glad we have a radfem presence, though.

[seabeyond]

91. hey, a thread where someone died, the boys giggln and playing with milf. i got a post hid for sayin

the words out loud. keep it quiet. we all know what the words are all about. that is why the boys have an over 100 post thread of gggles and jokes about milf. but i dare to say

mothers boys like to fuck?

too far

dontcha know.

and ya. that was what that thread was all about, and the discussion. them treating women like cum receptors. now. i am assuming that is ok because carlin said it and has been posted by those very duers, some recommending carlin saying this, with no outrage.

again, pure hypocrisy

[Tuesday Afternoon]

94. some of my hides ... just blew my mind ...

you can post pictures of very offensive things but,

if you post the words that describe the offensive picture that is the post that is hidden.

really?

Kangaroo Court and Mickey Mouse Jurors.

whatevs.

[seabeyond]

97. yup. a fuckin game with men having a huge advantage on the courts. any other game and they would

call foul.

[redqueen]

74. On a more positive note...

this shit is starting to be noticed by more and more people. Even here.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

78. Loving It !!!

[seabeyond]

81. yes it is. and htat would be about the point the poster of the OP cries out... it has been posted

here in the past.....

ya.

that validates it.

[redqueen]

85. Yeah, that's super double plus good logic

If something has been done in the past, that means it's totally right and just and nothing should ever change BECUZ FREEDUMB!

[JI7]

24. the women on the cover and who do similar things do it for the money

and they make fun of the guy fans and think they are mostly pathetic. especially the older guys .

[Tuesday Afternoon]

26. that is the problem, the lack of respect all the way around.

It is a human dignity issue.

Neither side is being kind.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

25. You know --

my thoughts about all this ... not much.

Only that Three Pretty half (well, more than half) naked young girls. Beautiful.

but, the IDOLIZATION and the PEDESTOOL on which they are placed in today's society is just whack.

[Kali]

27. no, not really

I can't understand the need of a woman to post an image aimed at men for the sole purpose of objectifying female bodies in the General Discussion area of a political website. I mean, really.


sure it might slip by in the Lounge, but no - it really does not belong on DU. AT ALL. Never knew that poster to be a shit stirrer, but can't see any other reason for posting that.


fucking weird.

oh and 400 + replies with only 13 recs? let's just copy and paste those for posterity:

13 members have recommended this thread (displayed in chronological order):
onehandle TheMathieu opiate69 PCIntern Upton appal_jack Warren DeMontague In_The_Wind LittleBlue pintobean lumberjack_jef fBoudica the Lyonessablamj

damn, pretty disappointed in at least one of those.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

31. thank you, Kali ... I trashed the thread early this morning, first thing.

None of those names surprise me though. well, maybe one.

[CTyankee]

35. it is clear to me now that the motivation for posting this is marking territory and

probably aimed largely at feminists. It is an old game. Men spit on suffragists marching under their banners for the vote. They lost, didn't they?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

39. Please, take note that the thread was started by a woman.

Some women appreciate and, have thrived under a benevolent patriarchal system. They also fear the change that is coming.

They do not want to change the status quo and, are happy with their current station/lot in life.

[CTyankee]

41. IF it is a woman...remember, I am Marie of Romania...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

43. Point taken - but, this one has posted pictures and, iirc has been to DU meet ups.

Iow, there are those who vouch for her/him and, I tend to believe them.

[CTyankee]

44. heh, history has shown that those women opposing women's suffrage have been largely FORGOTTEN...

history is SO unkind, isn't it?

Maybe she could join up with the Men's Right's organization...there's a thought!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

45. hehe ... and on that note ... I simply must say ...

good night



Enjoyed the conversation.

[CTyankee]

46. me, too...have a nice rest...

[redqueen]

50. Really? Not a single one of those names surprises me. At all.

And the person who started the OP? Check out her favorite group. Says it all, really.

[Scootaloo]

51. I see two I know to be skin-waste bigots.

I wonder if there might ever be a case for the unrec feature to return, without tying it to "greatest page" appearance. Probably not, but it'd be nice to see how much spit a thread collects.

[BainsBane]

52. It wouldn't matter

It's just a popularity contest, and the fact is that retrograde world view is popular on this site. It's like entering a time warp back to 1962.

[BainsBane]

53. The GD hosts let it stand

Despite the fact the SOP explicitly prohibits showbiz.

[seabeyond]

67. i think it was a little bit to get some hidden posts and a little bit of people getting along too

well.... still carrying a battle from three years ago.

a couple of those names only come up in battle of three years ago. they do not use the board often, only when they can stick a toe in that.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

69. up to Eighteen now ...

Recommendations
18 members have recommended this thread (displayed in chronological order):

onehandle TheMathieu opiate69 PCIntern Upton appal_jack Warren DeMontague In_The_Wind LittleBlue pintobean lumberjack_jeff Boudica the Lyonessa blamj Union Scribe egduj Skeeter Barnes hwmnbn Doctor_J

[MadrasT]

70. I suspect many of those 18 recs are basically a virtual middle finger flipping off this group.

So cute (in the two-year-old throwing a passive aggressive tantrum sort of way).

[Tuesday Afternoon]

71. love it when they throw a tantrum ...

but, damn if I will be the one to change their diapers.

[seabeyond]

83. the whole Op, rec and many of the posts is all about flipping us off, yes. lol. duh....

and not duh to you but those that think they are subtle.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

104. adding two more ;;;

aaaaaa5a quinnox

[seabeyond]

105. nobody really cares that much. we already know who they are... shhhhh

just sayin....

ah woman.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

107. well, sea

this is cathartic for me.

a lot of this is directed toward me personally.

why deny it.

I know that we know but,

isn't it time for all of DU to know.

It is like the dirty little family secret.

the skeleton in the closet.

the elephant in the middle of the room.

So tired of it all.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

136. add one more

Natural High.

[YoungDemCA]

114. Reading those names makes the intention crystal-clear

Thank you for posting that.

[cui bono]

55. Not even in the lounge please.

It's still sexist for lounge material.

I requested it be deleted in the Ask the Administrators forum. I suggest we all do it.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

111. so TIRED of our new and improved LockerRoom Lounge

years of Hope Hoops destroyed what was left of the Lounge camaraderie that was once enjoyed by people of all persuasions.

The predators that freely roam the Lounge and make it such a hostile environment.

One of the worst ones is a Host and while serving on MIRt knew that HH had returned as a Zombie and hid it from the rest of MIRt and then defended the action pleading ignorance.

Sickening.

[MadrasT]

56. Lordy... 600+ posts now

It's like a virtual locker room, complete with congratulatory backslapping and high fiving and a crew of simpering cheerleaders collecting their "woo hoo, you go girl" accolades.

Amazing to watch the myriad of ways objections are twisted and mischaracterized. The ones that are most funny to me are the ones that try to make out that objections are somehow anti-feminist and in some way slamming on the "choice" of the 3 women in the photo.

That is some funny ass shit right there... objecting to objectification is "anti-feminist".

Dear lurkers and HOF spies -- any choice any woman somewhere makes is not a "feminist" choice, just because a woman chose it.

In real life, when I criticize women's choices, I frequently hear "but isn't feminism about women's freedom of CHOICE???"

Sure it is, as long as we are clear that EVERY SINGLE CHOICE IS NOT A FEMINIST CHOICE JUST BECAUSE A WOMAN CHOSE IT.

[sufrommich]

62. This. If women making choices regardless of

their outcome is going to be described as feminist then Ann Coulter,Phyllis Schlafly,Micelle Malkin and Sarah Palin are feminist icons.Is that the way it works now?

[seabeyond]

65. virtual locker room, complete with congratulatory backslapping and high fiving...simpering cheerlea

It's like a virtual locker room, complete with congratulatory backslapping and high fiving and a crew of simpering cheerleaders collecting their "woo hoo, you go girl" accolades.

that about says it.

[seabeyond]

66. again, hypocrisy, i have a huge problem. each of these posters are all over the coulters, palns,

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bachmanns, the religious rw wing women calling them out with sexist slurs and demolishing them for their women issue views.

so no. they do not accept all womens choice. they do not even do it in consistency, but the consistency that if we do not honor the objectification of women, demeaning manner we treat women, then it is time to speak out on womens issues.

[redqueen]

79. Yes, that "I choose my choice" dubmassery is fucking laughable.

That it even still has to be explained is a testament to how few self-described feminists actually bother educating themselves about feminist issues. But then when it's popularized that all you have to do to be a feminist is think men and women should be equal, that's pretty much what you're gonna get.

[cinnabonbon]

106. A women can make many choices that goes against feminism

I mean, just look at these people who are pro-life and call themselves feminists.

[KitSileya]

63. I was tempted to spam the thread with Hawkeye Initiative cover mock-ups.

All those disingenuous 'But if you condemn the cover, you're blaming the models' and 'We're just celebrating natural(!) beauty' and 'I'm a feminist and I like it, so it's ok' comments make me want to throw up. Anyone with a modicum of awareness of media presentation of women knows that the pose, the lack of agency, the lack of actual swimsuits, the airbrushing is all to appeal to heterosexual men, and to put women in their 'proper' places, as objects of male lust. The 'butt out, torsos twisted so you see boob as well'-pose is straight out of comics, and has been thoroughly condemned and ridiculed.

This isn't the DU I started reading in 2001, and joined in 2002, that's for sure.

[CTyankee]

64. Nor mine when I signed up in fall, 2004!

Progressive Democrats were assumed to be feminist or pro-feminist. It would have been unthinkable otherwise. Feminism brought extraordinary change to the country. Feminism was a strong, solid part of the Progressive project.

[seabeyond]

68. i often wonder, what would happen if your husband was so invested in his porn life? the man you love

the man you are stuck living with for life, the man you are raising your children with. what would a woman have to do to adjust her thinking, in order to daily live with a man who is so heavily invested in his porn.

that is how i see it.

one would have to accept porn totally. deny and refuse any discussions of the demeaning nature to the women. refuse any acknowledgment that it is hurtful to all.

and be a part... in order to gain even the littlest of attention from your man

[redqueen]

89. Very well stated. Succinct and accurate.

From the amount of anti-feminist comprehension fail going on in that thread you'd think it was fucking rocket science.

But then I don't believe that even a small fraction of those feigning ignorance are actually that clueless.

That OP is pure shit-stirring and many of those posting are simply joining in.

[seabeyond]

92. exactly. clear and obvious. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

90. This would be the New and Improved Model = DU3

I like to call it the Tom Sawyer version

[cinnabonbon]

108. It also reminds me of the post where men where asked

"how do you feel when a sale representative is dressed in a certain way and flirts with you in order to sell her product? Do you feel uncomfortable?" post. A lost of men and women thought it was a cheap shot and said they didn't like to be manipulated that way.

AND YET

look at that SI cover. That is the most blatant attempt to sell a magazine by appealing to men's smaller heads. I wonder, do they feel manipulated and condescended to now?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

117. interesting angle there, cinnabonbon

I never could tell if the OP of the Sales Rep thread was being Ironic or what...

I just got the vibe of Being Played

but,

I couldn't decide Who was Being Played, yanno.

Smaller heads prevail ...

lol.

[cinnabonbon]

120. My problem is that I read posts like that as if

they're written in good faith. I didn't really get what the OP was trying to do, despite it being close to being ironic. They were too subtle for me.

I still think that the men's got to be aware that they SI cover post makes others, well.... Let me just say that the OP made me aware that the post was full of asses.

[seabeyond]

121. i had the host of the mens group specifically tell me that Op was to get back at a small vocal group

of bullies on du.

damn straight ti was. as we all knew. what we wimminz did to piss off the men, god only knows.

[cinnabonbon]

122. At least they admit it.

Petty behaviour all around from them, just because we're saying that half of DU is supposed to be ours.

[seabeyond]

123. that whole thread, half was them denying it is a fuckin game for them. nt

[cinnabonbon]

124. Wow, how embarrassing.

Caught with their pants down, trying to cover their asses.

[cinnabonbon]

125. But seriously

That post was dripping with it, so I just sent it to the trash can. It was too obvious.

[MadrasT]

126. To "get back at" a group on DU?

What is this, junior high?

That's hilarious.

Wow.

[redqueen]

128. What we keep doing is calling out objectification.

That really pisses them off, bigtime.

[seabeyond]

133. how abotu that. makes us bullies. someone says... "she'll do". like a thing he owns.

dare to challenge the man, call that garbage out and they are affronted.

you know what the disgusting pic who deleted his post had posted to men? something about ... me being angry about my DAMAGED womb producing two rapists.

this is what the scum thought he could get away with saying on du, to me. then self deleted. this is how angry the scum is at me for what... pointing out an obvious on a post. what man would say that shit to a woman, about two friggin boys.

this is how angry they are.

[redqueen]

134. Well when you criticize objectification, and male entitlement to female bodies,

you're threatening something they obviously hold very dear.

This is one of the few vestiges of male privilege which most liberal men still boldly revel in, and they do not want to give it up.

[redqueen]

109. I love this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4504529

[seabeyond]

110. yup. nt

[YoungDemCA]

115. Horrible

And of course, the Usual Suspects are whining when feminists dare call them out on their douchery.

[cinnabonbon]

118. Freedom of speech apparently

means freedom from criticism in certain people's minds.

[elleng]

127. If THAT!

'We' Loungers don't usually do such ucky trivia.

[cinnabonbon]

129. I'm glad to hear it. I've been

reading the lounge a bit because it looks like a nice place to get to know people, but I wouldn't feel really welcome if they post stuff like that there.

[elleng]

130. We don't!

C'mon over!!!

[cinnabonbon]

131. Yay! I will!

I think it could be fun to get to know everyone.

[elleng]

132. Good!

Directions here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1018

[Texasgal]

135. You'd have to have a pea size

brain to not understand that thread as nothing but pure flame bait.

The whole " i was just posting a picture" crap is so transparent it's not even funny.