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Again: I acknowledge that it may seem silly to consider this. But perhaps thats because Her encourages us not to consider itand because were not used to thinking about such unpleasant topics in connection to sensitive guys like Theodore. At some point along the line, weve confused emotionality for empathy, unthreatening for ally: Because Theodore doesnt, say, lift weights, or spend his Friday nights in a sports bar watching the game and talking about bitches, hes culturally encoded as being less capable of woman-hating than his more bro-tastic peers. And in turn, so is the movie he features in.
But Her, despite being a very good one, is indeed a movie that contains its fair share of misogyny. Again, that little rage-filled videogame charactervoiced by Jonze himselfnotes that all [women] do is cry. The non-computerized women in the movie almost invariably fulfill his prediction with messy hysterics. They have inexplicable sexual desires that Theodore finds profoundly alarming: The anonymous phone sex partner who wants to be choked with a dead cat, the woman who wants to be a sexual surrogate for Theodore and Samantha because she envies their relationship, the blind date who tells Theodore how to kiss. And their emotional lives are similarly unwelcome: The blind date demands commitment immediately after putting her hand down Theodores pants, his ex-wife accuses him of trying to put her on Prozac to make her artificially chipper and his sexual surrogate hears one bit of critical feedback and locks herself in his bathroom to wail inconsolably. These women arent people; theyre hostile, unknowable aliens.
And although Theodore briefly considers he may have a problem with girlshis ex-wife tells him that he cant handle anything real, which upsets himhe throws self-reflection out the window when Amy tells him that hes entitled to joy. Joy doesnt look like a real, autonomous, complicated woman. Joy doesnt look like Amy. Joy is Samantha: the being who's been given life in order to make his life better.
Theres a central tragedy in Her, and we do, as promised, see Theodore cry. But its worthwhile to note what hes crying about: Samantha gaining agency, friends, interests that are not his interests. Samantha gaining the ability to choose her sexual partners; Samantha gaining the ability to leave. Theodore shakes, he feels, hes vulnerable; he serves all the functions of a sensitive guy. But before we cry with him, we should ask whether we really think its tragic that Samantha is capable of a life thats not centered around Theodore, or whether she had a right to that life all along.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/16031/her_is_really_more_about_him/
Again: I acknowledge that it may seem silly to consider this. But perhaps thats because Her encourages us not to consider itand because were not used to thinking about such unpleasant topics in connection to sensitive guys like Theodore. At some point along the line, weve confused emotionality for empathy, unthreatening for ally: Because Theodore doesnt, say, lift weights, or spend his Friday nights in a sports bar watching the game and talking about bitches, hes culturally encoded as being less capable of woman-hating than his more bro-tastic peers. And in turn, so is the movie he features in.
But Her, despite being a very good one, is indeed a movie that contains its fair share of misogyny. Again, that little rage-filled videogame charactervoiced by Jonze himselfnotes that all [women] do is cry. The non-computerized women in the movie almost invariably fulfill his prediction with messy hysterics. They have inexplicable sexual desires that Theodore finds profoundly alarming: The anonymous phone sex partner who wants to be choked with a dead cat, the woman who wants to be a sexual surrogate for Theodore and Samantha because she envies their relationship, the blind date who tells Theodore how to kiss. And their emotional lives are similarly unwelcome: The blind date demands commitment immediately after putting her hand down Theodores pants, his ex-wife accuses him of trying to put her on Prozac to make her artificially chipper and his sexual surrogate hears one bit of critical feedback and locks herself in his bathroom to wail inconsolably. These women arent people; theyre hostile, unknowable aliens.
And although Theodore briefly considers he may have a problem with girlshis ex-wife tells him that he cant handle anything real, which upsets himhe throws self-reflection out the window when Amy tells him that hes entitled to joy. Joy doesnt look like a real, autonomous, complicated woman. Joy doesnt look like Amy. Joy is Samantha: the being who's been given life in order to make his life better.
Theres a central tragedy in Her, and we do, as promised, see Theodore cry. But its worthwhile to note what hes crying about: Samantha gaining agency, friends, interests that are not his interests. Samantha gaining the ability to choose her sexual partners; Samantha gaining the ability to leave. Theodore shakes, he feels, hes vulnerable; he serves all the functions of a sensitive guy. But before we cry with him, we should ask whether we really think its tragic that Samantha is capable of a life thats not centered around Theodore, or whether she had a right to that life all along.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/16031/her_is_really_more_about_him/
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'Her' Is Really More About 'Him' (Original Post)
redqueen
Dec 2013
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ismnotwasm
(42,433 posts)1. Reminds me of the one about the Mannequin that came to life
Same shit, different audience.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)2. I haven't seen "Her"
But from the description, and your post here... yeah, it does sound a lot like an updated version of "Mannaquin"
And boy, what a brain-wrenching mess that one was. ugh, just a clip from it is enough to rocket me back to the 80's in all the wrong ways.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)3. my god boys... buy your fuckin' robot and be done with it.
and that is only half way thru the article
xulamaude
(847 posts)4. Speaking of the crappy 80s...
Making Mr. Right: