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Related: About this forumAre all telephone calls recorded and accessible to the US government?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston"BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?
CLEMENTE: "No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.
BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.
CLEMENTE: "No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not."
"All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we speak".
On Thursday night, Clemente again appeared on CNN, this time with host Carol Costello, and she asked him about those remarks. He reiterated what he said the night before but added expressly that "all digital communications in the past" are recorded and stored:
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leveymg
(36,418 posts)The NSA rules of retention were changed years ago so that all this stuff now gets stored away for later retrieval by US IC agencies looking at specific persons of interest. Most US person data collected used to be "minimized" (erased) after a set period of time.
Also, any signal that bounces across the border (even if both parties are domestic) is also subject to capture and retrieval. That also has been the case for years.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,011 posts)After the public outrage against "Total Information Awareness" of early Bush days, they just did the snooping in secret.
Hell, a LOT of gov't actions against us are in secret, which is one reason there is a huge public legal threat against whistleblowers.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)This has been true and battled without success in the secret court. Hell Congress passed a ex post facto (I probably screwed the pooch on that term) law allowing the big slurp as I call it.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)That said. This is still appalling.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)him, by Russia?? So are they listening in on people ordering pizza for dinner rather than on someone who has been reported as a threat by another government?
What a screwed up country this is now. I wonder if it can be saved at this point?