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Judi Lynn

(162,336 posts)
Mon Jul 4, 2022, 01:24 AM Jul 2022

Does warfare make societies more complex? Controversial study says yes

Archaeological analysis suggests an arms race in ironworking and cavalry spurred bureaucracy and bigger populations

28 JUN 20225:2PM
BY MICHAEL PRICE5

War is hell. It breaks apart families, destroys natural resources, and drives humans to commit unspeakable acts of violence. Yet according to a new analysis of human history, war may also prod the evolution of certain kinds of complex societies. The twin developments of agriculture and military technology—especially cavalries and iron weapons—have predicted the rise of empires.

“I think they make a convincing case,” says Robert Drennan, an archaeologist at the University of Pittsburgh who wasn’t involved in the work. Yet he and others argue the study offers a rather limited look into how exactly these factors might have shaped societies.

Scholars largely agree that agriculture was one of the major drivers of increasingly complex societies by allowing for bigger, more sedentary populations and divisions of labor. More contentious has been the role of strife.

“The majority of archaeologists are against the warfare theory,” says Peter Turchin, an evolutionary anthropologist at the University of Connecticut, Storrs, and the new study’s lead author. “Nobody likes this ugly idea because obviously warfare is a horrible thing, and we don’t like to think it can have any positive effects.”

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Does warfare make societies more complex? Controversial study says yes (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2022 OP
It's a horrible thing to say, Haggard Celine Jul 2022 #1

Haggard Celine

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1. It's a horrible thing to say,
Mon Jul 4, 2022, 04:14 AM
Jul 2022

but I think people have a need to kill. We have this animal nature inside of us that is practically irresistible, I think, and we have to give ourselves over to it sometimes. A person might say, "Well I've never killed anyone and I hate violence," but has he ever supported a war? Even when his country, gang, or whatever wasn't attacked. The supporters of wars are just as guilty as the people who fight them. I hope that one day we can get this urge out of our DNA, but until then, we are going to have to learn to control it or at least redirect it. If the human race is ever going to come together and accomplish greater things, we're going to have to tame the beast.

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