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Jilly_in_VA

(10,845 posts)
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 01:19 PM Nov 2023

Starfish 'arms' are actually extensions of their head, scientists say

Starfish may appear to have a plethora of limbs, but it turns out the creatures actually resemble something akin to a disembodied head.

Experts say it has long been a conundrum how starfish, sea urchins and other animals with a fivefold body plan, known as echinoderms, evolved from an ancestor with twofold symmetry – a body plan common today in animals including insects, molluscs and vertebrates.

“How any bit of an echinoderm related to any bit of any other organism in terms of its general body plan was really unclear,” said Dr Jeff Thompson, a co-author on the study at the University of Southampton.

The situation is further complicated by the fact echinoderms begin life as larvae with twofold symmetry, before metamorphosing into their adult forms.

Now researchers say the unusual adult body plan of starfish and other echinoderms does not arise as a result of the central part of the body, or trunk, giving rise to five identical parts.

“It doesn’t look like the trunk is there at all,” said Thompson.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/01/starfish-arms-are-actually-extensions-of-their-head-scientists-say

This is crazy!

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Starfish 'arms' are actually extensions of their head, scientists say (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Nov 2023 OP
Wow Lunabell Nov 2023 #1
Doesn't surprise me at all. We've known for... TreasonousBastard Nov 2023 #2
As you observed, "Now we're asking what deviousness in evolution causes this..." sanatanadharma Nov 2023 #4
They still have an anus -- they've just evolved into total buttheads (nt) William Seger Nov 2023 #3
Wow! Wonderfully unexpected! Judi Lynn Nov 2023 #5
Perhaps not so surprising, if you consider they are related to crinoids and blastoids .... eppur_se_muova Nov 2023 #6

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Doesn't surprise me at all. We've known for...
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 01:39 PM
Nov 2023

years that nerve bundles at the bases of the arms were brain-like, but didn't seem to know what to do with the knowledge, it was so bizarre.

Now we're asking what deviousness in evolution causes this...

sanatanadharma

(4,074 posts)
4. As you observed, "Now we're asking what deviousness in evolution causes this..."
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 02:34 PM
Nov 2023

As you observed, "Now we're asking what deviousness in evolution causes this..."

I suspect it is the ghost in the machine; 'Conscious-Beingness' that that is knowing, animating, motivating, enliven-ing the otherwise inert. No rocks are known to exist in worlds where only rocks exist.

eppur_se_muova

(37,352 posts)
6. Perhaps not so surprising, if you consider they are related to crinoids and blastoids ....
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 09:09 AM
Nov 2023


There were once stemless, free-floating crinoids. All head and arms.
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