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South Carolina Church Kicks Out Blind Man for Having Service Dog At His Side
By Hemant Mehta, July 2, 2019
If you go to the homepage of LowCountry Community Church in Bluffton, South Carolina, theres a message that says Wherever youre from, theres a place for you here.
So naturally, the church is in the news for kicking out a man with disabilities, according to Lana Ferguson of The Island Packet.
29-year-old Taylor Burch, whos legally blind, attended a service on Sunday along with his service dog named Independence. He was invited inside by the greeters at the door and took his seat but minutes later, a church volunteer told him he needed to get the hell out.You cant have that dog in here, he said to Burch.
He was questioning me like he didnt believe me, Burch said. I was totally humiliated.
Burch left, immediately called his mother to pick him up, and sat on the patio until she got there.
The entire interaction, he said, lasted five minutes.
I was sad, he said. I was frustrated. I was in shock.
Burchs sister posted about the situation shortly afterwards, saying she was in disbelief that a place that teaches love and acceptance would not allow a person like my brother with his very well behaved and intensely trained guide dog to attended a church service.
The churchs response?
The church has said it did nothing wrong. Churches and synagogues are exempt from the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Theres that Christian love for you: We dont have to follow the law because we have Jesus.
Faux pas
(15,337 posts)of them.
redstatebluegirl
(12,474 posts)After they became political tools of the right all of that stopped. Now they are just used to recruit republicans, press their ideas of hatred, and keep the republican faithful in line. Really sorry times to be sure. I left organized religion years ago when I was in college. I now identify as a recovering catholic.
Mariana
(15,024 posts)When was that, exactly?
redstatebluegirl
(12,474 posts)Yes, there have always been less than open minded, but not as OPENLY hateful as they are now. I have not set foot in a christian church in years except for weddings and funerals and I don't have any thought of doing so. I became a Unitarian Universalist after leaving the Catholic Church, but have even found that I don't feel comfortable there either.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Some churches are better than others, of course, but they all think they are doing exactly what Jesus wants.
Blue Owl
(54,656 posts)is GOD!
SWBTATTReg
(24,031 posts)disabled. This church said it did nothing wrong. BS. Absolute BS. At least they could have offered a hand to guide Mr. Burch into the facility and get him seated in time for the services, but they didn't. They could have offered to watch his support animal while services were going on. They didn't. Churches and synagogues are exempt from the Americans with Disabilities Act, sad. If I were representing my church, I'd labor a little more to ensure that all those wishing to attend services could do so in a reasonable manner. They didn't.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I can't imagine that poor guy had to go through the humiliation before the public (or, even a side room and in private).
Never did I think our country would become so hateful to fellow citizens. It is like a plague that is slowly migrating across the nation.
Thank God we have DU to come to and work out our frustrations.
procon
(15,805 posts)in that wretched church. Another reason to shun religion. If they can't even accomodate a service dog, what will they do to their parishioners who might stray from Grace?
MineralMan
(147,445 posts)Damn!
Churches and are exempt from doing anything Jesus was supposed to have done, eh? Well, OK, then...
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Like, he might be a daily reminder to them that god doesn't actually perform miracles and heal anyone?
MineralMan
(147,445 posts)Logic plays no role.
raccoon
(31,434 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)they would even try.
Like, why even would you do that?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)When all you have is a hammer, treat every problem like it's a nail.
MineralMan
(147,445 posts)That's a good thing, although I can't imagine why it was in place at all.
Mariana
(15,024 posts)There's no way to defend this behavior. Legal it may be, but it's wrong, and even the fundiest of fundie Christians knows it.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)While our policy was certainly legal, we now realize it was not sensitive, wise, or reflective of our heart. Weve worked hard for 25 years to be a church known for what we are for, not what we are against. The main thing we are for is people. These values havent changed. But our policy will. This Sunday, July 7, 2019, LowCountry Community Church will return to its original policy of warmly welcoming service animals and, more importantly, welcome their beloved owners.
I have extended a heart-felt, sincere personal apology to our visitor, which he has graciously accepted. But I want to apologize to him publicly here as well. We are sorry. As we shared with you during your visit, it would be our privilege to do everything we can to respectfully and joyfully assist with your special needs, as we do with the special needs of all our wonderful members and guests who so courageously navigate physical challenges to attend church each week.
Mariana
(15,024 posts)"We now realize [our hateful policy of discrimination against the disabled] was not sensitive etc." We're supposed to believe they didn't know this before? What a crock. Everyone knows this change came about only because this story went viral, and the church is in danger of losing its membership (and their donations, of course).
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Sometimes there are rules that are overly restrictive, and it is not realized until the rule is tested. The rule has been fixed, which is the key. This is sort of a "man bites dog" story.
Iggo
(48,233 posts)"This Sunday, July 7, 2019, LowCountry Community Church will return to its original policy of warmly welcoming service animals and, more importantly, welcome their beloved owners."
They used to welcome service animals.
Then, instead, they didn't.
Sooooo....Fuck those motherfuckers. I'm good. They suck. I'm better than they are.
There. See? Easy.
Mariana
(15,024 posts)by appealing to the fact that they aren't required to obey the Americans with Disabilities Act.
That's when they showed us who they really are.
Iggo
(48,233 posts)I guess "We're allowed to get away with all kinds of shit that's illegal for everyone else" didn't test very well.
Fuckers.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Here is my thinking...
- There is not a lot of benefit for a church to ban people with disabilities.
- People (humans) often overreact to minor indictments by creating excessive rules.
- Some people like to be super strict rule enforcers (this starts in early childhood)
- It takes another incident (or two or three) to put things right.
So I'm inclined to not to judge these people given what I know. If you disagree, no problem -- whatever soothes your soul!
Major Nikon
(36,899 posts)Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Based on personal experience, I can say some of my best choices were made in the face of no alternative
Major Nikon
(36,899 posts)In this case the best choice was only made when public pressure made the preferred wrong choice untenable.
Mariana
(15,024 posts)These are probably the same people who derive pleasure from fantasizing about rulebreakers being tortured for eternity.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Law enforcement is an area where "zero tolerate rule enforcers" are problematic.