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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 04:52 AM Mar 2019

What does Hell look like?




Mathew Ch 25 reveals that the son of man will come in all his glories surrounded by the holy angels and will divide the nations of the world as a shepherd divided his sheep from his goats, sheep will go to heaven. Goats are destined for hell. A place of everlasting fire and eternal punishment designed by God for Satan and his demons.

Some argue that God would not be a just God if he did not punish sin. A loving and just God would create a hell for sinners because you can’t have grace without punishment but what if people you loved did not get into heaven, but you did. Would that not become a torment for you? Would that mean your personal heaven then becomes hell?

Of course, there are big differences between faiths. While Muslims also believe in hell they do not believe it to be eternal. You do your time for your sins and then get released to Muslim heaven. Like Sikhs beliefs, do you make your own hell based on your actions in a previous life time? So, this lifetime might be hellish but the next one will be better?

Or is hell a human construct of social control?

Do we use hell as a form of exclusion?

Is the threat of Exclusion from the presence of God enough to ensure people toe the line?

Is that the meaning of hell?


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True Dough

(20,114 posts)
1. I believe hell
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 05:26 AM
Mar 2019

is as real as Atlantis. Or Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Or Gotham City. Or Utopia. And so on...

DetlefK

(16,451 posts)
4. That phrase is actually very interesting because it's so often misunderstood.
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:43 AM
Mar 2019

Hell is not BEING around other people.

Hell is being forced to constantly show your best-possible self to other people.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
11. Yeah I get that the Sartre's intent is more complex
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:44 AM
Mar 2019

Than most readings of the quip.

From my own perspective the hell of other people is the network of unconsented-to obligations they tend to force on me.

DetlefK

(16,451 posts)
3. I once saw an old french black&white movie about hell:
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:25 AM
Mar 2019

The protagonist died.

He got up and walked out of his house and into the streets and they were empty.

He came to a hotel he had never noticed before.

The concierge had already been expecting him and brought him to his suite. Large, but empty.

"You will stay here for all eternity."

The protagonist asks the concierge why he can't see himself in the mirrors.

The concierge responds: "What is there to look at?"

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Some argue God would not be a just god if he gave you no chance to repent...
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:01 AM
Mar 2019

or damned you to for eternity if you did repent. This is mentioned in the Gospels, but often overlooked.

I don't buy into any afterlife, but understand that it may calm down people who look to a god to bring justice where there has been none on earth. It's more hope of hell for others than fear of hell for oneself that drives some people.

In the West, Judaism was the root for Christianity and Islam, so it's always a good idea to see what Jews have to say about this. Turns out that over the years they've had a lot to say, and not so clearly. It seems that it all started with gehenna which is not a place of torment, but purification, and is essentially being apart from God.

From there, they were exposed to Greek and other concepts of the afterlife, eventually leading to modern day confusion over the whole thing. Pretty much where the rest of us are.

One reason I became a Quaker years ago was because of their view of Hell-- since no one has managed to come back from the dead and tell us what happens, we are free to some extent to make up our own minds. And we will find out eventually.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
12. The calming effect you describe is by design
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:44 AM
Mar 2019

It's much easier to placate the masses when you give them the false promise of reward for the suffering of their injustice. Marx described this as the opium of the people.

Jim__

(14,443 posts)
13. James Joyce gave us a description.
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 02:34 PM
Mar 2019

From A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man:


...

—Now let us try for a moment to realize, as far as we can, the nature of that abode of the damned which the justice of an offended God has called into existence for the eternal punishment of sinners. Hell is a strait and dark and foul-smelling prison, an abode of demons and lost souls, filled with fire and smoke. The straitness of this prison house is expressly designed by God to punish those who refused to be bound by His laws. In earthly prisons the poor captive has at least some liberty of movement, were it only within the four walls of his cell or in the gloomy yard of his prison. Not so in hell. There, by reason of the great number of the damned, the prisoners are heaped together in their awful prison, the walls of which are said to be four thousand miles thick: and the damned are so utterly bound and helpless that, as a blessed saint, saint Anselm, writes in his book on similitudes, they are not even able to remove from the eye a worm that gnaws it.

—They lie in exterior darkness. For, remember, the fire of hell gives forth no light. As, at the command of God, the fire of the Babylonian furnace lost its heat but not its light, so, at the command of God, the fire of hell, while retaining the intensity of its heat, burns eternally in darkness. It is a never ending storm of darkness, dark flames and dark smoke of burning brimstone, amid which the bodies are heaped one upon another without even a glimpse of air. Of all the plagues with which the land of the Pharaohs were smitten one plague alone, that of darkness, was called horrible. What name, then, shall we give to the darkness of hell which is to last not for three days alone but for all eternity?

—The horror of this strait and dark prison is increased by its awful stench. All the filth of the world, all the offal and scum of the world, we are told, shall run there as to a vast reeking sewer when the terrible conflagration of the last day has purged the world. The brimstone, too, which burns there in such prodigious quantity fills all hell with its intolerable stench; and the bodies of the damned themselves exhale such a pestilential odour that, as saint Bonaventure says, one of them alone would suffice to infect the whole world. The very air of this world, that pure element, becomes foul and unbreathable when it has been long enclosed. Consider then what must be the foulness of the air of hell. Imagine some foul and putrid corpse that has lain rotting and decomposing in the grave, a jelly-like mass of liquid corruption. Imagine such a corpse a prey to flames, devoured by the fire of burning brimstone and giving off dense choking fumes of nauseous loathsome decomposition. And then imagine this sickening stench, multiplied a millionfold and a millionfold again from the millions upon millions of fetid carcasses massed together in the reeking darkness, a huge and rotting human fungus. Imagine all this, and you will have some idea of the horror of the stench of hell.

—But this stench is not, horrible though it is, the greatest physical torment to which the damned are subjected. The torment of fire is the greatest torment to which the tyrant has ever subjected his fellow creatures. Place your finger for a moment in the flame of a candle and you will feel the pain of fire. But our earthly fire was created by God for the benefit of man, to maintain in him the spark of life and to help him in the useful arts, whereas the fire of hell is of another quality and was created by God to torture and punish the unrepentant sinner. Our earthly fire also consumes more or less rapidly according as the object which it attacks is more or less combustible, so that human ingenuity has even succeeded in inventing chemical preparations to check or frustrate its action. But the sulphurous brimstone which burns in hell is a substance which is specially designed to burn for ever and for ever with unspeakable fury. Moreover, our earthly fire destroys at the same time as it burns, so that the more intense it is the shorter is its duration; but the fire of hell has this property, that it preserves that which it burns, and, though it rages with incredible intensity, it rages for ever.

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