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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:15 AM Nov 2018

Fundamentalism Is Not About Faith

If you are a fundamentalist, you are, by definition, a zealot and a fanatic. They may not self-identify with those descriptors, but they are reactionary and extremist. Being ultra- conservative, fundamentalists of all stripes need to try and force the rest of us back to an unspecified time in the past, when inside their very confused fundamentalist brain things were ‘simpler’ and ‘purer’ than they are today in this sin ridden world of ‘sex, drugs and rock and roll’.

If we were to go back to the halcyon days of wonder and unadulterated glory one thing we would not find is many fundamentalists. They seek to take us back to a time where fundamentalism was virtually non-existent. In reality, fundamentalism is a very modern phenomenon. It is a marketing tool for religious control freaks. A simple message, simply translated. We are right. They are wrong. Our path is the only path. If you do not follow our path then you are damned. If you do follow our path immortality awaits you.
In point of fact there are not that many fundamentalists out there.

Be they Christian, Muslim or Jew, they are few in number. But they are loud. Very, very loud and they drown out the voices of the moderate and the reasoned. They infiltrate rational debate with their easy to digest factualism. Their belief in the literal, inherent and historical absolutism of religious text cannot allow for dissent, discussion, debate. It does not allow layers of understanding, it does not allow for symbolism, allegories, myths and interpretation. It lacks nuance. Fundamentalists stifle debate about the symbolism at the heart of the major faith – they have to, for us to truly understand the symbolic nature of religious texts would lead to a lessening of control over the faithful by faith leaders.

The patriarchal structures of all major faiths, where women are treated as different and unequal, as chattel and brood mares and where the LGBT community is at risk of alienation (at best) and being murdered / jailed (at worse) , by these fanatical control freaks, clearly demonstrates that this modern phenomenon of fundamentalism is not about faith but control. Control of the community, control of action and control of thought. This is the key driver in all fundamentalist communities irrespective of the core faith construct from which the 'belief' structure has grown.

Fundamentalists are control freaks – try and take away a controls freak control and things have the potential to get very nasty indeed. Yikes.

Of course, fundamentalism is not just limited to religion. Zealots of any hue are control freaks.

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Fundamentalism Is Not About Faith (Original Post) Soph0571 Nov 2018 OP
This statement resonated with me The Genealogist Nov 2018 #1
I disagree Major Nikon Nov 2018 #2
You should study more about early Christianity. Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #3

The Genealogist

(4,736 posts)
1. This statement resonated with me
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:24 AM
Nov 2018

"fundamentalists of all stripes need to try and force the rest of us back to an unspecified time in the past, when inside their very confused fundamentalist brain things were ‘simpler’ and ‘purer’ than they are today in this sin ridden world of ‘sex, drugs and rock and roll.'"

What they would find if they actually did go back would be people much like them, decrying the evil sinful present age, seeking a return to purer times. One need only read literature from various eras in the past to learn that every generation has members who see the current age as an abomination.

This current crop seems to think that the 1950s was some kind of cultural utopia. Rational, reasonable people with any knowledge of that era know that it was anything but. And, this crop would find their counterparts, decrying the whole era as decadent, sinful, evil, probably wishing for a return to the Victorian period.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
2. I disagree
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:51 AM
Nov 2018

Faith is the foundation of fundamentalism. Without it there would be no such thing. Fundamentalism isn't a modern phenomenon. It was the default condition prior to the Age of Enlightenment when the idea of enforcing fundamentalism by law was questioned. The only thing that's modern about it is some have retreated to fundamentalism as the world grows more secular.

Organized religion has always been about control. Nothing has changed really other than at least some people in this world have a choice in the degree by which they are controlled. Anytime someone tells you how to think and act based on some metaphysical and mythological idea of reward and punishment, you are under their control.

Voltaire2

(14,657 posts)
3. You should study more about early Christianity.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 08:10 AM
Nov 2018

It was full of fanaticism and zealotry. When exactly were these halcyon days?

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