the new Toyota 900+ mile battery?

[RicROC]

"From there, a second, more advanced solid-state battery is expected to hit the market sometime after 2028. Toyota expects it to offer 50% more range than that 2026 lithium-ion pack, suggesting a driving range on the order of 932 miles." from link below


https://www.thedrive.com/news/toyotas-planned-solid-state-batteries-to-provide-900-miles-of-range

[doc03]

1. The number one complaint I hear about EVs is their range. Sure sounds great but

what do need to charge it in ten minutes a 500 amp service?

[Beachnutt]

7. This new silicon battery charges 80% in 6 minutes

and it's lightweight, new plant being built in Colorado.

Silicon Anode battery technology
Highest Energy Density Rechargeable Lithium-ion Batteries in the World!

https://amprius.com/

[multigraincracker]

12. Only 2 minute to fill with gas.

Right now hybrids seem the best bet.

[Sanity Claws]

15. Two minutes?

It takes more than that in my experience.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

17. Apparently an extra 6 minutes is too much wasted time!! EV wastes 6 minutes my gas guzzler

saves!?? Wont buy!!

Range is not the issue, the issue is a Revolution requires a revolutionary new way of mass thinking…not there yet!

This advancement is inevitable, gas vehicles are already dinosaurs!

[sl8]

19. That 6 minute charge was for a flashlight type battery.

Less than 3 amp hours (similar to an alkaline AA battery).

On edit:
In theory, you could charge thousands of cells (in parallel) in the same time. In practice, there are additional challenges, including the one that started this subthread, "What is the required ampacity of the charging circuit?"

[Beachnutt]

24. No it is not

Here is a demonstration

[sl8]

28. The test that yielded the 80% in 6 min was on a 2750 mAh cell:

https://amprius.com/fastchargereport/

Now, a full size car battery, made from thousands of these cells (as is the custom) may charge nearly as quickly, but the test that yielded those numbers was a single cell.

But, none of this answers doc03's question about the ampacity of the charging circuit. All else being equal, faster charges will require higher rated circuits, but just how big?

I didn't watch the videos - did they test charge times for a full-size battery?

[WalkerinSC]

18. Hybrids were always

the best path to wide acceptance. It would have reduced gasoline usage by a large amount. It cuts tailpipe emissions since most trips would be on battery, provide better range, and works for those that tow a lot (while providing a torque boost to reduce fuel use). The blind drive for fully electric vehicles with out a complimentary infrastructure upgrade, which would require nuclear generation to meet the demand, is self defeating. I'm interested to see how the Tacoma Hybrid works out. I love my Taco and if it can rate the same towing capacity it will definitely be on the radar.

[multigraincracker]

20. I think it will take years for it all to work out.

Until then, good luck. High tech batteries are very expensive and do need to be replaced. I'm sure they will work it out, someday.

[mitch96]

22. +1, that's what I'm looking at in a few years. A plug in hybrid. 40 mile electric range for my

around town stuff and the gas/electric when I want to make a long trip.
To me it's the best of both worlds..
m

[Alexander Of Assyria]

25. What's a few years in the lifetime of an automotive revolution that will only end

when battery packs so powerful can drive coast to coast! The potential is unlimited!

[taxi]

9. That part won't be mentioned at the dealership

[Aviation Pro]

2. Which is why I'm waiting for Subuaru's EV

They are partnered with Toyota.

[multigraincracker]

13. We just got a Prius and love it.

average 55 mpg now. Just a nice ride.

[mitch96]

23. How hard/easy is it to get in and out of? As a geezer this is my main complaint about new cars

My rule of thumb is sitting in the car with my feet on the pavement
are my hips above my knees? If so I'm golden. Below that it's a struggle.
m

[multigraincracker]

27. Try a newer model

I have no problem and I'm 73 years old 6'3" and about 200 lbs and it very comfortable for me. 2016 on up.

[mitch96]

29. Sounds good. The 2023 prius is calling me. I had a 2017 Prius V. Nice car I could get in and out of

fine but it "only" got 38 mpg on a good day and was slower than shit going up hill in a Florida summer.
Now the new Prius get's 45-50 mpg, Looks FANTASTIC! and has 200 HP! Sign me up!
m

[multigraincracker]

30. Wife is getting 55 mpg.

Not many hills all and very comfortable. I love it and thinking about the RAV hybrid for me some day.

[Sanity Claws]

3. The 2026 version is great!

Toyota has a next-generation lithium-ion battery pack in the works for 2026 that will give future vehicles up to 621 miles of range, double that of its current bZ4X electric SUV. It's slated to cost 20% less than existing batteries and be capable of going from 10 to 80% charge in just 20 minutes.

That would be wonderful!

[RicROC]

8. I'd be happy with any range over 450 miles (in the Winter)

because to me 450 miles is driving 9 hours. That's plenty of driving for me in one day.

450 mile range in the Winter would be 650 miles when the temperatures are warm (?) Does that seem reasonable/

[Beachnutt]

14. 80% charge in 6 minutes

https://amprius.com/

[Alexander Of Assyria]

26. Yep...leaps and bounds improvements on the horizon...battery equals engine. What an engine!

[Think. Again.]

4. Mind if I link to this post in the Energy and Environment group?

[RicROC]

6. Please post this good news to the appropriate groups

[bucolic_frolic]

5. Are the battery metals recyclable, or is Earth destined for nickel toxicity?

Call me skeptical. All this transportation has eclipsed "Go local!"

[Beachnutt]

11. Recyclable

https://li-cycle.com/

[sl8]

10. "Toyota to Offer High Performance Solid-State Batteries in 2020"

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/toyota-to-offer-high-performance-solid-state-batteries-in-2020-90501.html

Toyota to Offer High Performance Solid-State Batteries in 2020

29 Dec 2014, 10:56 UTC • By: Gabriel Brindusescu

[sl8]

16. Electrek article includes some details and caveats:

https://electrek.co/2023/06/13/toyota-claims-solid-state-ev-battery-tech-breakthrough/

Toyota claims solid-state EV battery tech breakthrough could offer +900 miles driving range

Peter Johnson | Jun 13 2023 - 8:11 am PT

[Miguelito Loveless]

21. A long distance between the lab bench

and affordable, commercial production.